Subject:	DC Goin' Down: Thank God Almighty!
Date:	1999/07/12
Author:	Paul Milne <fedinfo@halifax.com>
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Published Sunday, July 11, 1999   Belatedly, nation's capital prepares for Y2K's worst Steve Alexander / Star Tribune   While Minneapolis and St. Paul municipal governments are expecting to be ready for Y2K, it's a far different story in the nation's capitol, where the local government of the District of Columbia is preparing for the worst because it won't be able to complete all Y2K computer repairs by year's end.   The Washington Post reported recently that the District of Columbia "is planning a massive New Year's Eve mobilization of emergency personnel and other staff to ensure that critical city services are not interrupted if computer systems fail."       D.C. police will be stationed at more than 120 locations across the city, including fire stations, convenience stores and fast-food restaurants. They will work 12-hour shifts to take walk-in requests for emergency services. Twenty-one "warming centers," each supplied with food, water and cots, will be open in case of utilities failures. School-crossing guards will be on call, ready to replace traffic lights at major intersections. And D.C. General Hospital will have extra staff members -- as many as 175 -- on site, the Post reported.   Those are just a few of the 88 contingency and emergency plans the District is working feverishly to put in place by the end of the year, the Post reported. While similar efforts are underway at local governments and private companies across the nation, D.C. officials acknowledge that their situation is worse.   Washington, D.C., is "so far behind on its Y2K fix that it may have to rely on some of these work-around techniques," the Post reported.   The District of Columbia's own assessment of its Y2K progress demonstrates the need for elaborate contingency planning, the Post reported. With less than six months left in 1999, only 41 percent of the District's 336 major computer systems have been fixed. The rest are scheduled to be repaired and tested by the end of October.   What's more, 19 of the District's 73 agencies aren't even half-finished with Y2K repairs and planning, the Post said. Those agencies include such key departments as Health, Housing and Community Development; Tax and Revenue; Child and Family Services; and Public Works.       ==================     These so-called contingency plans are LAUGHABLE.  21 'warming centers"? Don't make me laugh.   This is like having 'towel' dispensers located at the site of an impending tsunami.   DC goin' down, down, down.  DC goin' down.   Free At Last. Thank GOD Almighty, free at last!!!     http://www2.startribune.com/stOnLine/cgi-bin/article?thisStory=80732911   Paul Milne

-- a (a@a.a), July 12, 1999

Answers

I don't know about the "god" bit, but the rest sounds good to me.
/s/ another "a"

-- A (A@AisA.com), July 12, 1999.

DC sounds like it has serious problems and I can see where there is potential, if not even likely trouble to be expected.

Paul Milne, though, made the comment "DC Goin' Down: Thank God Almighty!"

Thank God Almighty!! What a sick and twisted evil bastard you are to make a statement like that. You are saying that people may die and acting like that is a good thing. Quite frankly, I don't give a shit whether this gets deleted or not: If there is anything about Y2K that makes me want to puke, it is the type of crap that people like Milne spew out of the big mouths.

Does Milne realize what a sick wacko he really is.....sadly, I doubt it.

-- Craig (craig@ccinet.ab.ca), July 12, 1999.

Craig, IMHO you have misinterpreted Paul's comments. Let's see what he has to say.

Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), July 12, 1999.

Misinterpreted...huh... "DC goin' down, down, down. DC goin' down. Free At Last. Thank GOD Almighty, free at last!!!".......misinterpreted in what way??

-- Craig (craig@ccinet.ab.ca), July 12, 1999.

Craig, easy does it, give the ticker a break!! If Paul sees the thread I guarantee he will respond, till then breath easy.

Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), July 12, 1999.

I've read plenty of Pauls stuff in the past....he seems genuinely pleased with the possibility of society collapsing........

Please tell me, how do you interpret what he said?? What other possible way to read it is there......if you can see something else in there, feel free to share it with us so we may all benefit.

-- Craig (craig@ccinet.ab.ca), July 12, 1999.

Craig, I won't speak on Paul's behalf but I will say that I have NEVER read anything he has written that was not sincere, truthful and on target. Now I can't say as much for the garbage I have read today with regard to NERC and it's activities.

Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), July 12, 1999.

I'll agree with Craig. Borrowing Martin Luther King, Jr.'s, "free at last" phrase to describe the potential meltdown of a largely African- American U.S. city is insensitive at best, racist at worst.

Regards,

-- Mr. Decker (kcdecker@worldnet.att.net), July 12, 1999.

AFAICT Craig, Milne's displeasure is with the system, and those that have corrupted it and manipulated public opinion to the extent that we are now all in peril. He has repeatedly said that he wishes the "innocents" no harm. See

http://x30.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=499578343&CONTEXT=931754148.333774881 &hitnum=10

BTW, I'm not his spokesman, I do not agree with all of his views, and I debated pasting the whole post or just the relevant article.

-- a (a@a.a), July 12, 1999.

From a black point of view, sounds to me like we have another racist here. Why do you have to bring MLK into it? Yeah, D.C. w/its mega- black population; I'm really getting tired with all the under currents (actually not so hidden) of whites who feel they need to feel superior by making fun of blacks, by so called jive lingo of "Sista in da' hood" or this coment, from such educated whites, I would have expected more...whoops, my mistake in assuming education wouldn't equate with race. Forget it.

-- Marsha (MSykes@court.co.macon.il.us), July 12, 1999.

Marsha,

I am white as Wonderbread, and the remark offended me. Based on my reading of this forum, Milne is willing to take advantage of the "system" when it benefits him. Sounds like a double standard to me?

Regards,

-- Mr. Decker (kcdecker@worldnet.att.net), July 12, 1999.

Milne's displeasure may be with the system....but his desire for a crash and burn scenario does not hurt the system, it hurts those that live there....

Every system has its problems.......most sensible and honorable people work from within to try and effect positive change.......Milne on the other hand chooses to run and hide and thank God for potential disasters.....

-- Craig (craig@ccinet.ab.ca), July 12, 1999.

In answer to Craig and Decker.

First Craig.

Craig, Our government is an ABOMINATION. It bears as much resemblance to the constitution as a pig resembles a chest of drawers.

Imbeciles like you have no problems with Hancock, Adams, Jefferson, et al, being displeased with the government of King George III.

But you have NO clue that what our present government is doing is far far far far more in a way a usurpation of our liberties than they EVER experienced for King George.

Decker, You remain an unmitigated ass. I think the present US government is an abomination. I will be glad when it crumbles to be replaced by a government that actually adheres to the Constitution. To call my remark about DC "racist" is absolute humbug. One would expect no more from a sub-moronic cretin like you.

The bottom line is this. The Federal government has usurped complete undelegated authority over our lives. It is tyranny.

I am not in the least ashamed to be glad for the downfall of tyranny.

-- Paul Milne (fedinfo@halifax.com), July 12, 1999.

I received this on a listserv. Thought it might fit on this thread.

Joe Stout

THE HIDDEN CODE OF Y2K Only two things threaten our existence: A breakdown of society as we know it; The continuation of society as we know it. Jan Blum, Seeds Blum Company Many lessons that mankind must learn to continue life on this planet, with the present power of our technology, can be taught within one seemingly random computer event, Y2K. These lessons include 1.Our competitive, power-driven instincts must quickly evolve into cooperative ones. As Martin Luther King, Jr., said: The choice is no longer between violence or nonviolence but rather between nonviolence or nonexistence. 2.We must deal with our nuclear weapons, plants, and waste rationally as they pose a continuing threat to the entire species, now and for many generations yet unborn. 3.We must stop polluting at our present level. Most pollution comes from the first world. One person in the United States pollutes more than 500 people from Nepal. 4.We must return our value system to one more centered in people and relationship, as opposed to the present one centered on ownership and things. 5.We must further develop, and eventually convert to, our decentralized, nonpolluting sources of energy (wind, solar, wave, hydro, etc.) There are less than 50 years of fossil fuels left and their use is destroying the environment. 6.We must address our other technological threats and evaluate and deal with their impact: global warming, biological, nuclear, and chemical weapons, El Nino, ozone level, pollution, etc. Like Y2K they are threatening, but unlike Y2K their deadline is not known. 7.We must become more self-reliant, depending more on ourselves, our communities, and each other as opposed to relying solely on our leaders and government, who often do not have our best interests at heart. 8.The large corporations must adjust, or be made to adjust, priorities to include not only profit but concern for the environment and people as well. 9.There must be a renewal of the use of nonhybrid seeds. At the present rate that seed companies are promoting and selling hybrid seeds (seeds that are only good for one season), in 20 years there will be almost no nonhybrid seeds available. We would have genetically engineered all food seeds on the planet to be nonrenewable. 10.The unabated barrage of sexuality, vulgarity and commercialism in our media cannot continue on its course. It undermines real values and stable family structures. 11.Just as American Indian leaders planned seven generations ahead, so must we consider and plan for the generations that will follow us. 12.Technology and material growth must cease to be an end in itself. We must ask, What is it for? Almost every lesson we must learn to continue on this planet with the power of our existing technology is listed above. Failure to learn any one of them continues to put our species at risk. Y2K has the ability to teach us every lesson. This is absolutely necessary if we are to continue on this planet much longer, given the existing level and power of our technology. These lessons will not be learned easily. As with all other human lessons, they will be learned through our pain. But they can be learned. As individuals asking what we can do to usher in this new paradigm, the answer is clear: in addition to whatever actions and work we feel called to do, Love ourselves and each other as much as we can.

Robert Roskind, March 1999

-- Joe Stout (joewstout@iswt.com), July 12, 1999.

Give me liberty or give me death ---- Patrick Henry

I regret that I have but one life to give for my country. -- ???

You want it, you got it. Vote for me. William Clinton

I invented it. I am Mr. Clean. Good government for all -- Algore

Do you know who comes the closest to a true patriot of all of the politicians? Alan Keyes. The people really recognize his intergrity. He finished near the bottom. Maybe people get what they deserve.

-- Sorry (Liberty@longgone.gom), July 12, 1999.

Joe: AMEN. Thank for sharing that!

-- a (a@a.a), July 12, 1999.

Gosh, Paul, does this mean you are going to refuse all benefits offered by the U.S. government? Or do you make a habit of continually biting the hand that feeds you?

By the way, I allowed for the possibility your comments were somewhere between insensitive and racist. In light of your response, the range seems quite adequate.

Regards,

-- Mr. Decker (kcdecker@worldnet.att.net), July 12, 1999.

Personally, I'm sick to DEATH with all the "politically correct" bullshit that has driven our society to the brink of ruin. EVERYBODY wants "special" treatment, and none of them want to give an INCH for any other "group". Fragmented and combative are the best words I can think of for our society today.

SCREW IT. I upon occaision have chosen to use words and labels which some might find offensive. Last time I checked, I still had that right under the first amendment. And if the person or group doesn't like my choice of terms, I DON'T GIVE A SHIT! They are JUST AS FREE to label or name-call ME right back!

But the PC movement is destroying our nation. To hell with it, AND ALL THOSE WHO *LIKE* IT!

Clear enough?

Here's a rhetorical question: If *I* can't call a black person a "nigger" (as I'm white), why is it "okay" for blacks to call THEMSELVES "niggers"? If the word is offensive, DROP THE WORD FROM *EVERYONE'S* VOCABULARY. See how easy it is? But the DOUBLE-STANDARD has GOT to go! As a white male, I HAVE EXACTLY THE SAME RIGHTS TO SAY WHAT I PLEASE. If that makes another person uncomfortable, tough shit.

And stop whining "racism, racism" every time someone says something that offends you. That's nothing more than a cop-out. One day soon, *I* (as a white male) will be a MINORITY in this country. Does that mean that *I* can then start crying "racism" too? Or is that just for the "other" minorities...?

-- Dennis (djolson@pressenter.com), July 12, 1999.

Paul, I think the present US government is corrupt as well. I wish that we could replace it with a government that adhered to the principles of the Constitution. I would hope SINCERELY for that in all my dreams of what-if's! However, how can one be certain that the replacement would actually be such? There are so many differing groups today,and anarchy would probably spawn so many "warlords" (for lack of a better word right now)and power struggles, in my opinion. My husband commented that he thought that more people would probably rally towards those who had strength, power, guns, etc. equating strength with survival most likely, rather than justice. I agree. Anyway, just our two cents.

-- Barb (awaltrip@telepath.com), July 12, 1999.

Marsha, Mr. Decker, and others, I spent some time with Paul Milne when he came to Washington DC to see Ko-Skin-em with his own eyes.

This is not about racism, this is about clueless management that is dozing at the switch. We, all of us, have a huge problem. The repair work hasn't been done.

While there is still almost 6 months to go, the effort seems to be going into spinning the news rather than getting the work done.

-- cory (kiyoinc@ibm.XOUT.net), July 12, 1999.

Decker, Craig and Marsha:

I am a white man but I voted for Alan Keyes in the Republican primaries. You may not be aware of who Keyes is but he's black. I say this because most people I talk to don't have a clue. In my estimation he is/would be the best man for the Oval Office. Some of my best friends are black, Mexican and Asian. I do not judge a man by his color. But concerning Washington DC, and Paul Milnes' comments I was not offended one bit because here is a city that is the embodiment of the liberal, utopian dream. If there is any one city in the nation that believes in the liberal lies and lives off the nipple of the government (taxpayer) largess it is Washington D.C.. They voted unanimously for Clinton both times, I believe, they have the most liberal gun laws in the nation and they are interestingly the murder capital of the world. In short, the inhabitants of Washington DC have bought into the Marxist, socialist lies of the left. (Note that I don't use the word "radical". That is because all left leaners are by definition anti-constitution and thus: are radical).

If Washington DC goes down, down, down, I (also) will be cheering. If you put all your hopes and dreams into a lie, into living off the sweat of other peoples' backs then maybe you get what you deserve. If you voted for this liar (Clinton) and he leads you down the primrose path to destruction then maybe you should have cultivated a more reverent regard for TRUTH. What gives anybody the right to expect a paycheck every month from the sweat of their working neighbors? Paul Milne is correct. Our government is so corrupt that it should go down. Gangrene has set in and major amputation is needed. If you are concerned about DC then why don't you go to ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN or the President and urge them to warn the residents there to prepare. There is time for those who have ears to hear but they won't because they are lost in a lie.

I, too, am weary of hearing you idiot liberals scream about being offended and rascism and "hate speech" when there are much bigger issues ready to swallow the nation up. But you all are so blind that you can't see it. I want to see you, liberals, be as concerned with the foundational principals and freedoms that are being ripped apart and the corruption and gangrene that has set in on government at every level and the gangrene of a Welfare Society people looking to government to take care of them. It makes me sick and I'm tired of having all the fruits of my labors go for evil.

Yeah, I'll be cheering when DC goes down but I'll be praying with all my might that God might preserve us as well and that He would take this cancer away from the nation. Washington DC is the epitomy of that Cancer. Yuck!

sdb

-- sdb (sdbays@intplus.com), July 12, 1999.

The government of the US is physically prepared to survive and revive even in a post-nuclear scenario. Washington D.C. may well be going down the crapper, so for this reason and many other y2k reasons, it cannot be business as usual, but the nucleus of the current regime will endure. And when they crawl out of their bunkers they won't necessarily be refering to the constitution for their game plan. It's lose - lose, I'm afraid.

-- number six (Iam_not_a_number@hotmail.com), July 12, 1999.

Marsha: Do you like to mudwrestle?

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.com), July 13, 1999.

The constitution is a wonderful blueprint, it truly is, but it is a 223 year old blue print. #1)The world has changed, do you want us to go back 223 years? The rest of the world gonna go with us? #2)The constitution was just that, a blue print. Tell me, you ever built a house? Did it turn out exactly like the blue print looked before you began construction? I doubt it.

As for being upset by hate crimes....why don't you go tell the victims of that 2 state killing spree. How about the family of the two Homosexual gentlemen that were just killed. Yep....I guess since I am offended that makes me a liberal....and by being offended I will proudly wear the title of liberal.

-- Such Lovely Opinions (cantwait@toseeyouall.go), July 13, 1999.

Thanks Joe for your post.

D.C. IS going down. The question is whether that makes you sad or happy. Milne is saying, he won't be sad. This is his political feeling and not a commentary on human suffering. Let's be adults....

-- BB (peace2u@bellatlantic.net), July 13, 1999.

The Federal Government, centering in D.C., grew over time because of two things:

• Incremental growth of Federal taxes
• Incremental growth of Federal "laws"

The United Nations is now doing the same thing on a global scale. Increasingly, there are UN laws which the world must generally adhere to (or get Iraqed). In addition to UN "dues" from member countries, the UN is now trying to get an "email tax" - about 1 cent per 100 emails. This tax is expected to provide 70 billion for the 3rd-world countries that can't afford to buy computers (and don't have the culture/people to invent/build them).

I can't imagine that the UN will stop with this tax...

-- Anonymous99 (Anonymous99@Anonymous99.xxx), July 13, 1999.

My response to the Milne quote was not about "political correctness." It was about common courtesy. Martin Luther King, Jr., was one of the most influential African-American leaders of this century. The "free at last" phrase comes from one of his most important and inspirational speeches. Milne used this phrase to talk about the meltdown of a largely African-American city... where many residents live and poverty and have NOTHING to do with the federal government Milne despises. In truth, the real issue is far larger than race... it's the fact Milne is gloating over potential unrest in a large urban area. How much must one hate the government before the death of suffering of innocent people become an "amusemen?"

I support Milne's right to rant and rave. In turn, I'll exercise my right to comment in turn.

Regards,

-- Mr. Decker (kcdecker@worldnet.att.net), July 13, 1999.

i don't think milne is alone in his wish to see some of the old ways of doing business fail. those who are busy prepping, planning, storing, are doing so because they are guessing that big changes lie ahead. they seem to express anger that those in the "know" aren't being straight in what they are willing to share with the masses. naturally, they find themselves hoping that the dgi bastards get their comeuppance after all the dust settles.

who do we replace that moronic water works manager with? you know, the one that allowed the 4 million gallons of sewerage to find its way to street level? will we vote the mayors, senators, congresspeople that let things get as bad as they did out of office? will we as stockholders show up at the annual meetings calling for some directors' heads? i don't think so.

i think that to a large extent, the same opportunistic buttheads, will emerge from their physical and psychological shelters, wet their index fingers, test the direction of the wind and get right about developing a fix-it plan. and we'll let 'em. we have filled the seats of our government with people much like us. only they have larger egos. we secretly hope they fail and when they do we either forgive them or replace them with their cloned twin. think things will be all that different when the dust settles?

-- corrine l (corrine@iwaynet.net), July 13, 1999.

Decker wrote: "where many residents live and (sic) poverty and have NOTHING to do with the federal government Milne despises."

Perhaps I'm missing your point, here, Decker, but many of those residents certainly interact with the government to the extent that they depend on it for their monthly checks. Ergo, they have SOMETHING to do with the federal government.

And I suspect that is exactly one of the reasons Milne despises the federal government. So do I. I'm sick of a government that takes from the producers and gives to the non-producers. Aren't you?

-- Vic (Rdrunner@internetwork.net), July 13, 1999.

Cory, I understand what you're saying, and I agree with you; it's not about racism. It's just so hard mentally and physically dealing with y2k. I'm sure we'll see a lot of people flipping out (on this forum and elsewhere) as the clock ticks down. I'm burned out and depressed myself. To Such Lovely Opinions, as for being upset by hate crimes, I live in Decatur, one of the cities Benjamin Smith blew through on his shooting spree wounding a preacher for being wrapped in brown skin. It's scary. Seems like things keep getting worse as the millineum approaches. Why can't we just...get along? Dennis, PLEASE don't ask me to explain double standards. Your point is well taken. On the other side of the fence you hear things like, "Why does the white media slam Michael Jackson for wanting to look white?" Yet these same critics would run him over getting to a tanning salon wanting to look black. Double-Standards. King of Spain, no I never mud wrestled, but it sounds like fun! I can truly understand why Ed walked away from forum. It's scary thinking about our future. Didn't c4i say something about us being in the "twilight" zone...(I'm probably misquoting him). I wished I knew how far we are gonna fall.

-- Marsha (MSykes@court.co.macon.il.us), July 13, 1999.

Decker, You continue to be a gigantic ass. My disgust for the Federal government has nothing whatsoever to do with who happens to live in the District of Columbia or what its racial make-up is. You are a damnable liar to asert otherwise and you know it.

And you are even more a damnable liar to assert that I wish to see human suffering because I wish to see our government put back on the proper Constitutional track which has been abandonned.

You are a pathetic and malicious miasanthrope decker.

Now will there be much suffering if the Federal government fails? Of course. But in the excision of a cancer , there is pain. You have a choice. Allow the cancer to grow and become more pernicious because you refuse to take the appropriate remedial actions or take the right steps and survive.

The present government is WORSE than a cancer. It is worse than a plague. It needs to be disemboweled, and I am not in the least ashamed of wanting it gone.

Now maybe you can show us all what connection this Political Statement has, IN ANY WAY, to who inhabits DC.

-- Paul Milne (fedinfo@halifax.com), July 13, 1999.

Marsha,

How does quoting MLK make one racist??? No matter what color or race, an American is, MLK is part of our culture and his "free at last" quote is part of ALL of our heritage. To exhultingly quote "Free at last" as from tyranny and then to be accused of racism? I really don't see the connection.

Decker is an unmitigated twit and most likely a instigator of racist dissension (sp?). I strongly question his motives, as many do.

Someone brought up Alan Keyes...a finer leader of character and honor would be hard to find anywhere. I would vote for him even if it didn't end up being the "practical thing to do". I would vote for him just for the peace of mind knowing he would the best leader this country could ever hope to have. I could care less what his color or race is. I care the condition of his heart and his character. That is priceless. I don't think he can be bought. That's probably why he is not a front runner. But who knows...God moves in mysterious ways.

-- RunAlanRun (free@atlast.com), July 13, 1999.

Decker, didn't your parents teach you this saying?

"It is better to keep quiet and be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

Sadly, you have removed all doubt.

-- BB (peace2u@bellatlantic.net), July 13, 1999.

Alan Keyes for President forever.

-- BB (peace2u@bellatlantic.net), July 13, 1999.

I really don't see any implicit racism in Milne's comments. DC is by all accounts in terrible shape. Big problems there will affect the fulltime residents, not the politicians and bureaucrats, it's true. I think the fact that DC is hurting and that the Federal government is headquartered there is pretty much coincidence as far as Milne is concerned. He hates the political system and wants to see it fall, he's said this himself. He spends his time casting around for any bad news he can find or create (vis. the Yardeni misquote, or the alphabetical listing of Tier 1 countries, or the hilarious assertion that small businesses account for over 1,000% of US GDP).

Curious, though, that if the government does fall, given his lifestyle, the only thing Milne will be 'free' of is his income.

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), July 13, 1999.

Main Entry: se7di7tion Pronunciation: si-'di-sh&n Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from Latin sedition-, seditio, literally, separation, from se- apart + ition-, itio act of going, from ire to go -- more at SECEDE, ISSUE Date: 14th century : incitement of resistance to or insurrection against lawful authority

Flint,

Please read my original statement, friend. It allowed Milne was simply being insensitive (surprise!). I don't know if Milne is a racist, but it is safe he falls into the "sedition" category with Gary North, to wit; he promotes the overthrow of our current Republic. If Milne was a racist, some of our "serious" pessimists would turn a blind eye... just as the sedition of North is ignored.

Regards,

-- Mr. Decker (kcdecker@worldnet.att.net), July 14, 1999.

Decker, I don't know if your a racist.

Flint, governments come and governments go, this has been the case throughout history. They come into this world with the best of intentions and they leave this world after decimating the system and the people they govern. the United States will be no different. Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), July 14, 1999.

Very predictable. Now that Decker accepts that things are going to hell in a handbasket, he suggests we shoot the messengers. Sedition my ass. If anyone is guilty of sedition, its those at the helm who have downplayed the risks and lied about the progress.

-- a (a@a.a), July 14, 1999.

"a", I think it's time to start a thread discussing the treatment of those in government and industry that have lied about the consequences of y2k. I believe if proven quility in a court of law that these folks should be given LONG jail terms.

The noise level of these Polly/Trolls sure has picked up lately. It appears they are running scared !!

Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), July 14, 1999.

Sure, Ray, I'm just in a panic.... (laughter) Maybe you should spend some time explaining how all those "shills" in the IT trade press all happen to come up with the same conclusion about Y2K. Or how the utilities and banks are spreading disinformation. (chuckle) And for the record, I love the delicious irony of Milne enjoyed government subsidy while he hacks away at it. Our tax dollars at work.

Regards,

-- Mr. Decker (kcdecker@worldnet.att.net), July 14, 1999.

Craig

Paul Milne never noticed the ab.ca in your addy. No adult Canadian would ever wish the break down of a city or social structure.

No Canadian looks at the founders of the US as Leaders also. We have hockey as the national glue. That and the weather. Up here with no social structure and you get cold and possibly die. Naturally.

Craig - 1

Milne - nil

-- Brian (imager@home.com), July 15, 1999.

Were the founding fathers and drafters of our Constitution also 'seditionists'? Hmmmm....

-- Wilferd (WilferdW@aol.com), July 15, 1999.

Is sedition never justified???

-- number six (Iam_not_a_number@hotmail.com), July 15, 1999.

"incitement of resistance to or insurrection against lawful authority"

I suppose it depends what the definition of the word lawfulis.

-- Deborah (infowars@yahoo.com), July 24, 1999.

I thought our constitution gave us the right to toss out our government when it became corrupt.Is kenny decker saying that our government is sacrosanct?I thought sedition was for countries where people did not have the right to throw the government out.I'm not claiming anything here,I just study suttas.

-- zoobie (zoobiezoob@yahoo.com), July 25, 1999.

paul is broke

-- paul is broke (paul@is.broke), June 03, 2003.