How much ammunition can you have until you need (by law) to report it? I don't think I'm in that range yet, just checking to be sure. Thanks.

-- Gus (y2kk@usa.net), July 05, 1999

Answers

The second amendment says that the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.(by the government!) That includes the ammo for Arms.

If the government passes laws that limits the amount of ammo you can have in your possession, that law in invalid, because it is unconstitutional. Your Amendments rights are above the law, any law!

Our founding fathers created the constitution to protect the people from oppressive government. USE IT OR LOSE IT!!! If any beaurocrat gives you hassles, invoke the protection of your amendmend rights. If they refuse to honor your amendment rights they are in deep sh*t!!!

Any beauriocrat has made an oath to uphold the constitution, if they fail to honor that oath, you can cause them to lose their job!

-- freddie (freddie@thefreeloader.com), July 05, 1999.

that rationalization could be used for clamore mines and law rockets.hell,I wouldn't mind.and why the hell can't I buy +P+ ammo? because of the liberal battle cry "think of the children!"

-- zoobie (zoobiezoob@yahoo.com), July 05, 1999.

I believe you are required to call up Rosie O'Donnell if you have even a single bullet in the house. Not positive about that, but I think that's where it's headed...

-- Dog Gone (layinglow@rollover.now), July 05, 1999.

The amount and TYPE of arms and ammo you may have is constitutionally unlimited. However, the Constitution is ass-wipe for your rulers, so the actual amount and types you can have depends on the whim of whatever pigs raid you.

"Unintended Consequences" by John Ross -- look up reviews on http://www.amazon.com and http://www.loompanics.com

-- A (A@AisA.com), July 05, 1999.

and while you're at it look up "home built clamore mines"by Ragnar Benson at paladin-press.com!

-- zoobie (zoobiezoob@yahoo.com), July 05, 1999.

gus,

just like barney fife, in the case of "A" and "zoobie" one is probably one too many. i for one have reported both of them.

a big bore smooch.

-- corrine l (corrine@iwaynet.net), July 05, 1999.

While some may be shocked to hear it, I'm not terribly interested in the second amendment. I got a 3.7 in constitutional law by dint of realizing that it ain't unconstitutional until the supreme court says it ain't.

Screw the constitution. Really. I never voted for the thing, let alone signed it. The government has powers over me because they've got me out-gunned. No piece of paper or patchwork ideology changes that. Why the right-wingers and left-wingers and even so many of my fellow agnostics have all agreed to act as though it was holy writ is beyond me.

I would just like to know what the current rules and regs are in regards to reporting ammunition stores. Whether I obey those laws depends on how much they interfere with my plans and how I estimate the likelihood of being caught and severity of punishment. I honestly am not interested in legal or ethical debates in the matter.

Corrine1: You have been hilarious on other people's threads. I feel short-changed by your contribution to this one. Please do better next time, you inspire me when you're hot.

-- Gus (y2kk@usa.net), July 05, 1999.

Hey Gus, You wouldn't happen to be a fan of Lysander Spooner, would you? ;-)

NO TREASON: The Constitution of No Authority by Lysander Spooner

-- Jim Morris (prism@bevcomm.net), July 05, 1999.

There are no federal laws concerning the amount of ammunition you may possess or buy. It's possible that there is a state or two (Kalifornia?) that have passed some vague, unenforcible law, but I'm not aware of one. For a state by state summary of gun laws, check out State Firearm Law Summaries

-- Bob (bob@bob.bob), July 05, 1999.

hey!hey!I finaly got a smootch!!

-- zoobie (zoobiezoob@yahoo.com), July 05, 1999.

Well written, Gus. Y2K requires rational and practical responses to complex issues.

Zoobetimes, I fear for the safety of doomers. They are our best hope, but they can be so didactic. Are they so tied up in guns, gods, gold, and politics that they cannot make rational decisions?

Good luck, and keep your powder dry.

Sincerely,

-- Uhm... (jfcp81a@prodigy.comq), July 05, 1999.

I haven't researched it lately, but I believe that there is no federal restriction on the amount of ammunition you can possess at one time. There are, however, federal laws that dictate storage methods after a certain amount of ammunition and/or components has been met or exceeded. You have to be careful, here, because (if I remember right)handloading components, including propellants (gunpowder) counts as ammunition.

You might want to check the ATF and DOT web sites.

-- LP (soldog@nohtomail.com), July 06, 1999.

LP, You want me to contact the ATF and tell them I have so much ammo stored that I thought it was wise to call them and check it out? Why don't I just jump in front of a fast moving train? You know, sometimes I think "why aren't more people aware that.....hell, why aren't more people just aware?".

-- ammo man (atf@mya**.com), July 06, 1999.

Gus: I had to do some research on the ammo question for a work- releated report I was writing last year. So far as I could discover, there were no limits on the amount of ammunition you could own, just as there are no limits on the number of guns you can own. HCI would like to pass a so-called "armory law" that would require such limits and/or registration of ammo stocks, but hasn't succeeded -- yet. That's not to say some state or city (Chicago, perhaps?) doesn't have something hiding on the books that it can drag out as needed. You might check with NRA or Gun Owners of America for more recent info. NRA had a Web page devoted to a state-by-state breakdown of gun laws at one time.

-- Cash (cash@andcarry.com), July 06, 1999.

You can alleviate the problem somewhat by caching some ammo elsewhere, in case you are worried that some pig or govt goon "feels" that you have too much ammo. Bury it in 500-1000rd caches, and keep on buying! :)

-- Bill (billclo@msgbox.com), July 06, 1999.

Well, I add a complaint to my post and suddenly I get useful responses. Thanks!

-- Gus (y2kk@usa.net), July 06, 1999.

"LP, You want me to contact the ATF and tell them I have so much ammo stored that I thought it was wise to call them and check it out? Why don't I just jump in front of a fast moving train? -- ammo man"

My suggestion was to use the DOT and ATF web sites as springboards for research into the federal regulations that affect the storage of ammunition. I did not suggest that you, or anyone else contact the ATF to ask for advice. The ATF web site has much information on it, with links to other web sites. It even has a y2k section. You don't have to tell them your name, if you don't want to. The URL is:

http://www.atf.treas.gov/

Of course, if you want to jump in front of a moving train, that's your business.

-- LP (soldog@nohtomail.com), July 07, 1999.

guns are bad just give them what they want and you'll be fine

-- sarah brady (don'tshoot@home.com), July 10, 1999.

I haven't heard of any restriction. I hope there isn't one -- I get a price break ordering 10,000+ at a time. Since I go through about 1,000 rounds a week, this is important to me. Gotta feed the hobby, you know.

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), July 10, 1999.