Well?

After performing exhaustive searches of all the media outlets I can identify online, I cannot locate any stories about mass failings of city and township governements due to their systems rolling over to FY00.

I will share this with you, however: while on holiday, my newly issued credit card would not work at the pay-and-pump petrol kiosk, so I went back to our suite and began plotting the overthrow of the village governement, hoarding all sorts of supplies, and began feverishly searching for a local supplier of alternating current generators. I felt the fear! Then, I peeled off the funny sticker on the back of the card, phoned the number printed there, and had it activated. Whoops. You blokes are right - it's a conspiracy! And they're hiding the truth from the internet, too - the bloody b@$t@rds!

Regards, Andy Ray

-- Andy Ray (andyman633@hotmail.com), July 03, 1999

Answers

Gee, your hilarious

-- (lol@home.not), July 03, 1999.

You're also as stupid as they come. Right off the turnip truck, you are!

-- Gordon (gpconnolly@aol.com), July 03, 1999.

NDY RAY,

WHY DO YOU BOTHER TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK EVEN MORE FOOLISH THAN YOU HAVE PROVED YOURSELF TO BE OVER THE LAST WEEK OR SO.

oops, caps off.

Stick around, we're not out of the woods yet. Many entities have massaged the dates to year end at the correct year end, bingo, 6 months breathing room. Trouble may not surface for 2-3 weeks or even longer.

Remember the introduction of the Euro - supposedly fault free - of course we all now know that was a complete lie, the euro backoffice stuff is apparently still a shambles with days taking for clearing and settlement.

You think it's this cut and dried Andy Ray? You are obviously not very experienced in these matters.

Any more questions?

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), July 03, 1999.

...though obviously not stupid enough to believe all that "Y2K" hype, eh?

:)

Regards, Andy Ray

PS - Interesting about Yourdon bailing on you blokes one month prior to his prediction that 990701 would "remove all doubt" about the seriousness of the catastrophic nature of Y2K, hmmm? Here's a tidbit for you: Yourdon and I agree on this prediction - it has proven to me the seriousness of the coming catastrophy!

:) Cheers! -A

-- Andy Ray (andyman633@hotmail.com), July 03, 1999.

ANDY RAY,

WHY DO YOU BOTHER TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK EVEN MORE FOOLISH THAN YOU HAVE PROVED YOURSELF TO BE OVER THE LAST WEEK OR SO.

oops, caps off.

Stick around, we're not out of the woods yet. Many entities have massaged the dates to year end at the correct year end, bingo, 6 months breathing room. Trouble may not surface for 2-3 weeks or even longer.

Remember the introduction of the Euro - supposedly fault free - of course we all now know that was a complete lie, the euro backoffice stuff is apparently still a shambles with days taking for clearing and settlement.

You think it's this cut and dried Andy Ray? You are obviously not very experienced in these matters.

Any more questions?

PS

By the way "andy ray" I've got you in a flat out lie. Well I knew you were a lamo troll but this confirms it.

This is what you said...

"Then, I peeled off the funny sticker on the back of the card, phoned the number printed there, and had it activated. Whoops."

WHOOPS indeed - you can only activate a new credit card from your home phone number numb-nutz, not from your "suite" at the Happy Roach Motel in Bumfucque Indiana.

My god you are thick.

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), July 03, 1999.

Andy Ray, have you got your passport yet?

-- Old Git (anon@spamproblems.com), July 03, 1999.

ell numb-nutz, are you going to be a stand up guy and admit that you lied to us all or are you going to scurry away and hide...

hahahahahahahaha

what a jerk

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), July 03, 1999.

Old Git,

If I respond to your question regarding my passport in this forum, the responses will be:

1) acceptance - if I parrot the unbelievable stories promulgated by the group at large; or 2) rejected - if I merely tell the truth.

Reagards, Andy Ray

-- Andy Ray (andyman633@hotmail.com), July 03, 1999.

Dear Andy,

I am breaking a standing rule to never engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed person.

If you ever manage to climb out of the sandbox mentality - no doubt resultant of a poor relationship with one or both of your parents - you will at least have the opportunity to engage the rest of society in meaningful dialogue and perhaps even, with some education, logical debate. In other words, you are simply wrong, and following a few decent people who actually practise thinking (and happen to disagree with my position or lean towards prudence in the absence of any formal training in technology) like a lemming following a piper. I fear the same fate (socially, at least) awaits you as awaits the lemmings.

I do not expect you to follow the analogy. Look it up - it will prove educational.

:)

Regards, Andy Ray

-- Andy Ray (andyman633@hotmail.com), July 03, 1999.

OK Andy Ray,

You're stupid AND a liar. The activation sticker is on the front of the card, not the back, jerk. And the fact that you can't seem to tie all the loose ends together regarding Y2k is proof that you're stupid.

-- Gordon (gpconnolly@aol.com), July 03, 1999.

Geez what a motor mouth this dude is. At least he was unclever enough to expose himself so openly, a real "mooning" if you want. So now we don't have to play guessing games about him anymore. Imagine, this assinine jerkoff is probably in charge of something somewhere. Woe to those that have to deal with such a twisted brain up close.

-- Gordon (gpconnolly@aol.com), July 03, 1999.

Andy Ray,

I worked for VISA for 6 years, part of my job was investigating credit card fraud.

As Gordon said, the sticker is on the front of the card.

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), July 03, 1999.

Alas! I am undone. You are correct, o' wise sages of the doom! I admit my folly to all - baring my soul before you in a shameless act of begging pardon to one and all...or wait...do all credit cards have the stickers on the front, and only allow one to activate them from home? Or is that only in the US, or only with US credit cards, or only with personal (as opposed to business) credit cards? Could it be - forbid it! - that the assumption-driven doomers are wrong yet again in their current leaderless state? Is that possible?

Perish the thought - it must be that I am incorrect. (This is truly entertaining...)

:) Andy Ray

-- Andy Ray (andyman633@hotmail.com), July 03, 1999.

Andy Ray,

I worked for VISA for 6 years, part of my job was investigating credit card fraud.

As Gordon said, the sticker is on the front of the card.

You can ONLY activate it from your home phone to prevent low lifes like you stealing cards and activating them from the Happy Roach Motel...

it's very revealing that you will not admit that you lied and that you don't know how even the most basic precautions are taken by cc companies

i repeat, you are as thick as two short planks...

have a good day thinking up some more lame troll tactics

bwwwwwwaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahaha

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), July 03, 1999.

The same goes for ALL credit cards that are activated through a telephony system jerkoff

keep digging your hole asswipe

hey, was your card issued in Timbuktu????

Bwwwwwaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahaha

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), July 03, 1999.

I suppose when one is used to making assumptions and foisting them upon an unsuspecting populace as fact, that one attains their "jollies" where they find them.

The most critical fact of this post is that no one has refuted the initial claim that nothing substantial happened Thursday. All the posturing on the planet, all your wishes and hopes, all your prayers ("Please, Ed, come back...") will not change that gruesome reality (gruesome - deniably so, for the doomers) that one more date has come and gone - with no Y2K shutdown of basic human services.

The facts become yet more clear.

Again, Yourdon himself predicted that 990701 would validate his concerns for 000101 - and, once again, I have stated that I agree with that prediction of Yourdon. Here is the validity - nothing has happened, nothing will happen. There simply is no crisis. There is simply nothing to be worried about.

You will need to find some other imaginary event to focus your energies upon, as this one isn't to be. One suggestion: pick one that's a little farther than a few months/years away. Oh, and one other thing: change your name - no one will ever believe it if it comes form someone who spouted endlessly about the approaching doom of Y2K!

Please feel free to jabber on about whatever nonsense delights your small mind, ignoring the magnitude of the damage done to your (as of now) non-existent movement.

:) Andy Ray

-- Andy Ray (andyman633@hotmail.com), July 03, 1999.

Andy Ray,

You have to try to understand. We only listen to people who have a full brain, not a 1/2 brain, like you. Now, you didn't only shoot yourself in the foot with your stupid post, no, no, no, no. The bullet passed right thru your brain on the way to your foot. Your brain doofus. You know, that funny looking thing between your legs. Too bad for you, cause it wasn't such a big brain to begin with. But that's probably why you can only babble now.

-- Gordon (gpconnolly@aol.com), July 03, 1999.

Andy Ray started another thread on this same subject...

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0012OJ

"When will the concessions begin?"

I've posted a number of links on his new thread about the significance of July 1st. It also has a link to an article in a Boston newspaper about two minor July 1st glitches that have been reported.

-- Linkmeister (link@librarian.edu), July 03, 1999.

In response to my question, about getting your passport, you said:

"If I respond to your question regarding my passport in this forum, the responses will be:

1) acceptance - if I parrot the unbelievable stories promulgated by the group at large; or 2) rejected - if I merely tell the truth."

You obviously are not aware of the incredible computer snafu at the British Passport Offices. Have you been in a coma for the past week? The lines, fights and ruined holidays have been and still are all over the media. And guess what, imposter limey, the hundreds of thousands of people still trying to get their passports were put in that position by a Y2K problem.

-- Old Git (anon@spamproblems.com), July 03, 1999.

:)

I fully understand your avoidance of the obvious - really I sympathise. In anticipation of the few thinkers with integrity wishing to express some form of remorse or apology for their assumptions proven incorrect (about me and about Y2K), after the non- event of 000101; I have established yet another email address:

iamsorryandyray@hotmail.com

I promise to not publicise any apologies made here, as I sincerely desire to help you cope with the disillusionment you are certain to face.

Regards, Andy Ray

-- Andy Ray (andyman633@hotmail.com), July 03, 1999.

Andy Ray,

Don't expect an apology from the following folks. I think they're on to something:

http://www.senate.gov/~y2k/hearings/030599/gershwin.html

-- Linkmeister (link@librarian.edu), July 03, 1999.

Dear Linkmeister,

We simply disagree on the matter, and I have found your posts most enlightening in these regards. The facts speak for themselves. As will the fact that nothing major will accompany the arrival of 000101. When that happens, I desire to give people of conscience a means of expressing and/or explaining themselves.

People are sometimes incorrect in their views, and it is not illogical to provide some means of catharsis, unless (as some suppose), I am just a "troll." I would argue that I am not, despite my opposing contributions to the normal flow of conversational debate and occassional deviations from polity (for which I am ashamed) and my stated purpose of gathering information for a book on this very subject.

I am truly concerned with the mental state of such people that will find their cause a loss (unjust, even), their opinion of no value, and (in some cases) their hopes dashed. I feel as strongly about the danger such disenfranchised individuals pose to society as doomers feel regarding acquiring their weapons and hoarding food. I cannot overemphasise this point.

Regards, Andy Ray

-- Andy Ray (iamsorryandyray@hotmail.com), July 03, 1999.

Andy Ray,

Still babbling I see. What you need to do now is get to a psychology clinic. They can't repair your damaged brain of course, but they can help you to cope with life as a cripple. Of course, that may not work too good either, because you weren't coping too good before your careless accident were you? Oh well, if they can help you with the babbling problem, that will be some consolation for all of us.

-- Gordon (gpconnolly@aol.com), July 03, 1999.

Dear Gordon,

Thank you for your honest and frank assessment of both my personal situation and the Y2K issue - to which, I see, you have applied similar critical thinking.

For further study, there are people who read and participate in this forum who are offended by some of the language to which you stooped, and though I am not one of them (having participated in enough Y2K debates to experience and comprehend some of the associated psychoses), I resent some of the words you chose to misapply in assumption (again) to myself. Perhaps you could be the first to utilise the new email address provided? Or, perhaps a public apology is in order?

(slight) Regards, Andy Ray

-- Andy Ray (iamsorryandyray@hotmail.com), July 03, 1999.

The only other person on this forum who demands apologies is Drecker.

-- OutingsR (us@here.yar), July 03, 1999.

Gordon: In regards to an earlier response, I understand your fascination with gentalia - it goes with some of your other demonstrated psychoses. With all due respect, I do not "swing" that way, and if I did, I doubt I would be interested in "swinging" with you. In the interests of helping you with your struggle, you may wish to consult one of the several groups that assist homosexuals in "coming out" - you may find it helps you other ways, as well.

OutingsR: "could" = demand?

Andy Ray

-- Andy Ray (andyman633@hotmail.com), July 03, 1999.

...or "perhaps" = demand?

Andy Ray

-- Andy Ray (andyman633@hotmail.com), July 03, 1999.

Hey wanker, you have been exposed as a bald-faced liar, anything you say cannot be taken seriously, why not go away and morph back into y2k pro or chicken little or mutha or whoever you are...

you've lost this one pal, hahahahahaha

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), July 03, 1999.

Dear Andy,

It is perfectly natural for you to respond against perceived homophobia on your part, as well; but, seriously, I am not interested in anything other than a healthy discourse with you or Gordon - honestly. Try not to "lash out" so - it merely reveals your "hidden" agendas, friend. You may also wish to avail yourself of some of the types of self-help groups I suggested to Gordon.

:) Andy Ray

-- Andy Ray (andyman633@hotmail.com), July 03, 1999.

As I said you are very lame, dragging out homophobia now are we, you are quite pathetic little one...

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), July 03, 1999.

Waste of time.

-- Mike Lang (webflier@erols.com), July 03, 1999.

"You can ONLY activate it from your home phone to prevent low lifes like you stealing cards and activating them from the Happy Roach Motel... "

Bzzzttt..thanks for playing Andy, but I activated my First Bankcard Master Card from work. I apologized to them from not calling from home, but seeing how many hours I work a day that calling from work was far more conveniant. They said no problem, asked me my home phone number and my date of birth. Guess what...my card was activated within minutes as I tested it for a $1.00 on one of the swipers at work.

So sorry, but you don't get a consolation prize

-- Nice Try (there@andy.com), July 04, 1999.

Thank You, nice try, and a nice try yourself :)

Automated telephony systems require that you ONLY activate your card from your home phone number. To stop fraud - comprende?

Andy Ray was called on this - and backtracked as follows...

"Alas! I am undone. You are correct, o' wise sages of the doom! I admit my folly to all - baring my soul before you in a shameless act of begging pardon to one and all...or wait...do all credit cards have the stickers on the front, and only allow one to activate them from home? Or is that only in the US, or only with US credit cards, or only with personal (as opposed to business) credit cards? Could it be - forbid it! - that the assumption-driven doomers are wrong yet again in their current leaderless state? Is that possible?"

Andy Ray is a lying troll nice try, have you read any of his recent threads lately?

He was caught out - and is now resorting to calling myself and Gordon homophobic for some reason peculiar to himself.

THAT is the style of Andy Ray.

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), July 04, 1999.

"Bzzzttt..thanks for playing Andy, but I activated my First Bankcard Master Card from work. I apologized to them from not calling from home, but seeing how many hours I work a day that calling from work was far more conveniant. They said no problem, asked me my home phone number and my date of birth. Guess what...my card was activated within minutes as I tested it for a $1.00 on one of the swipers at work.

So sorry, but you don't get a consolation prize

-- Nice Try (there@andy.com), July 04, 1999."

So you are telling me that you are happy with First Bankcard??? Anyone could have intercepted your card, perhaps stole your wallet, and they just wanted your DOB?

I don't believe you.

You are lying too. It's standard practice to supply your SSN and Mothers' maiden name - not your date of birth and home phone number - that's too easy to obtain.

Sure you haven't been sitting too near that "swipe" machine - hear it has the same effect as a cellphone - fries the brain...

Nice try.

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), July 04, 1999.

Back to the original question of no massive failures, I'm sure your exhaustive search also brought up numerous articles about how the fiscal roll over was not a valid break point... at this point, all the fiscal roll over has done is change the date stamp on reports, it was no more likely to induce negative date calculations than the day before... as we've already seen in many JoAnn Effects, in look ahead situations, and the quick and dirty fix has been to turn off date validation, ie., a negative value, fall back to 12-31-99... but after 12-31-99, what do you fall back to?

Simply because some people did not think all the variables through and made miscalculations in their predictions as to the exact moment effects begin to start "pounding the shores" is no reason to ignore the 1,000 foot tidal wave gathering steam a few miles out....

P.S. And for all those morons who continue to say, "well, just reset your clocks to 1972".... I nominate you in advance for the year 2000 Darwin Award...

-- Carl (clilly@goentre.com), July 04, 1999.

Andy Ray,

why do you pose as Andy Ray here when on other fora you are Andy Leonard?

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), July 04, 1999.

Dear nice try,

Sometimes I just let the illogical assumptions go and watch to see how much time passes before it caves in upon the doomer-assumers. Arguing with zealots is therefore not a passion, as it yeilds little in the way of positive results. Your effort is appreciated, however.

These folks have lost their leader, and are at a loss to even address that issue. You should have some compassion on them, as they "lash out" to exorcise their angst.

One cannot blame Mr. Yourdon. He has a family to feed, and he received quite a bit of sensationalist/tabloid press with his Timebomb book. He will probably have to change his name and/or start a completely new company, or work for someone else after 000101. I suppose his minions will find some other cause to which to cling; and have suggested they pick one that either does not have a fixed date attached or that has a corresponding date well into the future.

Alas, they are undone because nothing happened 990701...and it bodes not well for their ever-unravelling cause...

Regards, Andy Ray

-- Andy Ray (andyman633@hotmail.com), July 04, 1999.

Your crocodile tears do not mask the fact that you and nice try are bald-faced liars, both caught having the same ISP address... funny that...

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), July 04, 1999.

"I don't believe you.

You are lying too."

Where I come from Andy those would be considered fighting words. I told a story, even supplied the name of the company, not the typical "Oh, I can't give you that" bs, and you have the cajones to call me a liar?

-- b (b@b.b), July 04, 1999.

OK b have it your way, in my experience of a whole bunch of credit cards they ALWAYS ask for a SSN and mother's maiden name - ALWAYS, without exception, furthermore you must ALWAYS telephone from your home phone - anyone can concoct a story otherwise, it is too easy to trace a person's home phone number and DOB...

So yes I have extremely large PLUMS :)

Nice that you would wade in on an admitted liar's behalf, but hey, you know best :)

Have a nice day b.

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), July 04, 1999.

Andy Ray said...

Alas, they are undone because nothing happened 990701...and it bodes not well for their ever-unravelling cause...

Regards, Andy Ray

At the time that he wrote those words, Mr. Ray had already been provided with a link showing what our attitudes about July 1st were back in June:

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=000wgU

"For the record: Your July 1st predictions, please"

It's one thing to disagree with the views of other people...and it's another to misrepresent what those views are. Get your facts straight, Mr. Andy Ray.

-- Linkmeister (link@librarian.edu), July 04, 1999.

did I once mention Andy Ray? Nope. I pointed out don't be so quick to think you are always right. I was poiting out a fallacy in your thinking. nothing more

-- b (b@b.b), July 04, 1999.

Shouldn't the title of the thread begin with 19990701 instead of 990701?

-- Tim (pixmo@pixelquest.com), July 04, 1999.

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0012OJ

[snip]

Now that one more "mini-Y2K" date has passed uneventful, do you believe Yourdon and other "prophets of doom" will concede their error in predicting disaster now or after nothing serious happens 000101? Your thoughts?

Andy Ray

-- Andy Ray (andyman633@hotmail.com), July 03, 1999

Answers

"For the record: Your July 1st predictions, please"

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=000wgU

-- Linkmeister (link@librarian.edu), July 03, 1999.

[snip]

-- Linkmeister (link@librarian.edu), July 04, 1999.

OK b truce, I withdraw my remarks, however AR is still a lying scumbag troll

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), July 04, 1999.

Andy - Truce accepted. As for AR, I'll stay out of that one totally. I have enough going on in my life to be concerned about it;)

-- b (b@b.b), July 04, 1999.