Debunking Y2K webboard

I thought we should have at least one thread here to show people what one Debunking site has to say about this forum. I don't know why but they are Hell bent on destroying this BB and if they succede it would be a shame. They should concern themsleves with debunking Y2K and not debunking people who have a certain opinion on Y2K. They are getting very hostile and I thought it would benefit everyone here if it was made more aware. I really don't want to see this BB gone but I think if left unchecked they will somehow sabotage it just because they think everyone over here are "kook survivalists".

As said in the movie "Pirates of Silicon Valley";

"Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer"

-- (just@regular.surfer), June 29, 1999

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Ayup. The 64K question is: why? Is there actually any $$$ changing hands?

-- lisa (lisa@work.now), June 29, 1999.

I've always thought it was sadly amusing the way some of the regulars over there attack this forum with such venom and hatred. That cpr idiot is gonna give himself a heart attack :-)

Then, they call the people on this forum names and say that we're filled with hatred. I don't know if I've ever actually seen a true technical debunking of any particular issue over there, and they've got the cajones to say that nobody on this forum ever says anything accurate. Those people give hatred a bad name.

The delusions of grandeur over there are striking at times. It's really just two or three shockingly arrogant people, plus lisa and buddy, who I don't think is TOO much of a jerk. He would probably be a very nice person, and have a lot to offer if he didn't try so hard to fit in over there. Decker too.

They don't seem to realize that all they do over there is jerk off and pat each other on the back. I'm looking forward to the day when they offer some kind of real, credible information. But, I don't expect that to happen any time soon.

Of course, there's a lot of jerking off over here too, but with the sheer volume of posts on this forum, plus more of an attitude of trying to view things through a wider lens, there's bound to be more credible info here. Actually, this should be the "Debunking Y2K" forum, cause that's what most of would love to do, I'm sure. Unfortunately, there's just too much, and it seems obvious that it's impossible to debunk.

-- (dot@dot.dot), June 29, 1999.

"....plus lisa and buddy.."

dot@dot.dot: Uhh... oh, nothing.

-- lisa (lisa@work.now), June 29, 1999.

And there are so many worthy causes that the BFI trolls could launch into, if they cared about anything at all. For instance, the U.S. savings rate is absolutely non-existant at this point. Not only are people not saving for the future -- and their children's future -- but they are actually going into more debt. And its sure not for Y2K preps! That, at least, would have some merit....

So why don't those trolls go onto forums that have to do with investing? Ask people questions like, "Are you going into debt to invest? Are you saving anything for sure, or taking big risks that may burn you later?"

The amount of people going into a negative savings rate and debt, versus the number of people stocking up food and goods that can be later used anyway, is so skewered that its laughable for those trolls to think that they are "making a difference" here.

(And I'll bet the Master Troll, Decker, could really make some headway with those Gen X yuppies. Spin tales of how his grandfather would have done it. "A penny saved is a penny earned." "The best way to double your money is to fold it an put it back in your pocket." Blah-blah fart-fart.

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.com), June 29, 1999.

lisa, do you like to mudwrestle?

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.com), June 29, 1999.

Dot, Lisa has been debunking Der Boonkah for ages, way before any of us. She's done sterling work but seems to have reached the point where she just can't stomach any more. She knows more about the "Meme Team" than anybody else and sometimes posts penetrating insights into the way their psyches work. Those people are way far sicker than they accuse us of being, everybody should go and have a look at the site -- just reading the message headings is enough (the messages are worse).

-- OutingsR (us@here.yar), June 29, 1999.

On a lighter note, the ubiquitous Al-d has surfaced like a bad penny over at DeBunky. Oh well it's their basket case now, that is, until they run him off into the hills like a satan worshiping witchdoctor. I guess it's true what they say, you can't keep a good man down (even when you try your hardest to drown him in his own sewage. I guess Al- d thrives on sewage)

-- Al-d took a dive off the stupid tree (and hit every@branch on the way.down), June 29, 1999.

Thanks, Outings. Maybe post-rollover, you can tell me who you are...

-- lisa (lisa@bone.tired), June 29, 1999.

Two questions, fellow GIs: what percent of the pollytrolls that post on this forum would you guess are likely to be posting their rude intellectual flotsam A) because they are paid to do so by gov't or other large organizations that want sources of Y2K info they do not control (such as this forum) to be hampered, or B) actually are really GI/preparer people, but are unethically trying to discourage other people from preparing in order to keep survival item availability/pricing situations favorable as long as possible? I am not sure about A, but think there are some likely cases for B to be the situation (some of the smarter trolls?).

www.y2ksafeminnesota.com

-- MinnesotaSmith (y2ksafeminnesota@hotmail.com), June 29, 1999.

Oh, sorry, I guess it wasn't clear.

When I wrote "It's really just two or three shockingly arrogant people, plus lisa and buddy, who I don't think is TOO much of a jerk..." I meant that to mean that I wasn't lumping lisa in with cpr and Doc Paulie and the rest. And that buddy wasn't too much of a jerk.

I like lisa ;-) (and she likes me, she just doesn't know it)

-- (dot@dot.dot), June 29, 1999.

"Buddy" may not be much of a jerk, but his other "personalities" -- such as Doomslayer -- sure are. Maybe being schizoid just comes with the "memes" fixation....

lisa: Somehow, I think you do like to mudwrestle. I just have this feeling.... (Maybe its a wet meme.)

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.com), June 29, 1999.

I've often wondered if there isn't a genuine, religious bent to their opposition to this and similar sites.

Some fundementalist Christians don't like Y2Kers because they see us as attempting to hold-off God's judgement by seeking to avoid the most serious repercussions of Y2K. Poole may well have this as his motivation to oppose anyone's Y2K preparations.

At the other end of the spectrum, more liberal theological belief seems to hold that "it isn't fair" that some people are going to prepare and avoid suffering while the majority are going to suffer. Their motto, "Quit preparing and suffer equally, even unto death with everyone else. Equality uber alles!"

Then there may be those who are so "ate up" with technology that it has become their religion and any question as to its supremacy is heresy. And to them, heretics must be eliminated. I see the largest majority of the pollys being in this camp.

Either way, the pollys are hell-bent on trying to shut us down and I only see more attacks with both increased sophistication and frenzy. I believe we all recognize the new wave of "sophisticated, smoother, more convincing, polly-troll" posts in the past couple of weeks.

And I'm sure that the three-day weekend is going to be the opportunity for some old-fashioned "screaming text" troll posts.

But I can't help laughing as I think that Al-d going to set up shop on their site is certainly an early payment towards a just reward for their actions.

WW

-- Wildweasel (vtmldm@epix.net), June 29, 1999.

If this forum expires, it will not be due to folks who post on any other forum. It may fold next year because things are not as bad as predicted. It may not function because we have devolved into a new dark age. Either way, this forum is a perishable item.

In addition, I think it's a little disingenuous to wonder why some people call this "the swamp." The moderate voices on TB 2000 forum have been subjected to vicious personal attacks. When I attended the Virginia Y2K gathering, people were uniformly polite and considerate. We did not agree on the extent of Y2K problems, but we found other areas of interest and agreement. If the moderators took the position of "referees" and simply encouraged both both optimists and pessimists to "play nice," this would become a more civil forum. This requires moral and principled leadership... something I do not expect from the current moderators. It would require telling Andy, Will Continue, King of Spain, etc., that their personal attacks are not appreciated. A little peer pressure from the pessimists would go a long way to keeping the interaction above board.

Instead, the moderators want to weigh in with their own opinions... and those opinions are uniformly in the pessimists camp.

C'est la vie.

Regards,

-- Mr. Decker (kcdecker@worldnet.att.net), June 30, 1999.

So what's the point of this post? To tell us that there is no sign of life there? We already know this! <:)=

PS - OK - for the newbies...

-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), June 30, 1999.

Decker, your blatant hypocrisy appalls even OutingsR. You have shown disdain for and disgust with this forum, its founder and its "pessimistic" participants from the very beginning, and have attracted personal attacks as efficiently and easily as a lightning rod. Here's a small sampling of your belittling words --

On March 2, 1999, at http://www.smu.edu/cgi-bin/Nova/get/gn/849/1/1/4.html, you said --

...By the way, I have not bothered to visit Mr. Yourdon's forum. Quite frankly, the Y2K sites I have visited where there are public fora the topics tends toward "how to live off the grid, preserve foods and repel boarders." This board [Gary North is a Big Fat Idiot] has been one of the few places the economic and technical issues have been raised... although at higher decibal levels, from time to time.

If you might suggest another area where reasonable people exchange ideas, I am willing to visit and share my ideas and learn from others. Of course, I do plan to continue visiting here. Despite the occasional outbursts, tantrums and fits... there are posts worth reading.

(end cut & paste)

Apparently, you weren't too impressed by that board either. Then soon after you wrote on BFI at http://www.smu.edu/cgi-bin/Nova/get/gn/1065/3/1.html --

I read the Yourdon forum (for the first time) and added a few posts. Some of the responses were actually quite good. Some were idiotic. A few suggested I was preparing the mount an assault myself. Of course, I let everyone know I am out of the "gun for hire" business (laughter). The rather disconcerting thing was how earnest everyone was. They really seem to believe the world is ending. I hope this is not a mainstream thing.

(end of cut & paste)

Your tut-tutting and patronizing attitude come through loud and clear. Then at midday yesterday you posted this on Der Boonkah --

Who wants to "end" the TB forum? It doesn't matter a bit whether the forum exists or not. The regulars on TB 2000, including the censors, have a very specific view... unlike 98% of the population (and the real professional IT community). "The code is broken" and "we started too late." Need I say more? I have posted on TB 2000 to offer an alternative to these bean and rice storing mentality. It has not done much good.

Card carrying members of the paranoid fringe, the serious pessimists see gov't agents behind every tree. I've been accused of being on the gov't payroll a dozen times. (laughter) I suppose they feel validated when they can concoct a story about people "out to destroy the forum."

Paul Milne and company are busy hiding from enemies created in their own imagination.

What concocted story are you talking about? The one where Cherri and friends discuss taking over and defusing this forum? We can cut and paste the original posts and URLs again if you want.

You came sweeping into this forum, looking down your nose, with the sole intention of showing us the error of our ways. Most of us didn't listen. Well naughty old us! You have chosen to mock and deride at every turn and now you complain because people haven't been nice to you. They're not nice to you because you haven't earned their respect or affection, Decker. You should have learned how to earn such rewards from your superior officers in the Navy. I'm sure there were a few good ones.

You have learned nothing from this forum, Decker, because you didn't come here to learn, you came to lecture.

-- OutingsR (us@here.yar), June 30, 1999.

you make it sound like jerking off is a bad thing

-- zoobie (zoobiezoob@yahoo.com), June 30, 1999.

Sorry, Outings, once again I disagree. I was attacked from word one on this forum. I was subjected to personal attacks for my views on Y2K. Even my most moderate posts have been rejected... simply because I wrote them. This is not productive or particularly honest. Even if you find me a reprehensible person, I still make legitimate points. I don't need your respect or affection, Outings. I'd settle for your respect of a reasonable argument regardless of the source. Oh, and I'd like to read something original you have written, not just cut and pastes of my own work.

Regards,

-- Mr. Decker (kcdecker@worldnet.att.net), June 30, 1999.

decker attacks decker looses his cooldecker lies

-- double (decker@king.debunker), June 30, 1999.