World Net Daily has timely commentary on how Russia and China can take out our electronic capability if they want to attack us- a Must Read!

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Please check out www.worldnetdaily.com for a most interesting and scary column called "The alliance is not dead", in which the writer says that China and Russia have the capability to take out our electronic systems, if they choose to attack us. And they are very angry at us, for our intervention in Kosovo.

I apologize for not knowing how to do a link, like you more-computer litrate readers. But this article really is worth the trouble of checking out. I finid this new site is the Best!!!

-- Jo Ann (MaJo@Michiana.com), June 28, 1999

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This isn't the title you named, but covers the topic you stated.

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) 1999 WorldNetDaily.com

Russia began gigantic war exercises last Monday. Troops from three military districts and the powerful Northern Fleet, together with Russia's Air Defense Forces, maneuvered to evade imaginary Western air and missile strikes. Then on Saturday, Russia's forces turned to launch a mock counter strike. In recent months, preparing for a future nuclear war has been a top priority with the Russian General Staff, which believes such a war is not only possible, but inevitable. Books and articles spelling out the techniques of thermonuclear world war continue to be regarded as classics in Russia's war colleges. The theory and practice of nuclear war did not die with the Soviet Union.

Demonstrating this emphasis on nuclear war, an unprecedented number of Russian war games have taken place in the last year and a half. The frequency and size of these war games dramatically increased after NATO began bombing Serbia on March 24. As the crisis over Kosovo heated up, not only did Russia's leaders make veiled threats about the possibility of nuclear war, but Russian soldiers, sailors, and airmen were being trained to fight and win such a war.

Some in the West would argue that Russia's training methods are a bluff. But there is a good reason to think otherwise. As authors like James F. Dunnigan have explained, there has been a revolution in military affairs. This revolution has to do with the use of computer systems to increase the control of troops, logistics, and to improve combat efficiency. In the computerization of military forces, America has no rival. As Dunnigan explains, armies and navies which use computers effectively may prove invulnerable to forces which lack the same level of computerization. In other words, the new digital warriors of America dominate today's conventional battlefield.

But how does this relate to Russia's nuclear war exercises?

There is a military technique which the Chinese generals have been talking about for several years. It is called "defeating the superior with the inferior." It is based on the idea of using electromagnetic weapons to attack and neutralize America's computer advantage at the outset of any future battle. Since American land, air, and naval forces are considerably smaller than they were only a decade ago, the United States needs its computer advantage in order to prevail. If America's military computers were knocked out, America's conventional forces could be overwhelmed by superior numbers. As it turns out, the best way to knock out America's war computers is to use nuclear bombs to generate something called electromagnetic pulse, or EMP.

In addition to this, there are other exotic ways to fry U.S. electronics at a distance.

Russia yet retains an arsenal of special nuclear devices. According to Bill Lee, a former official with the Defense Intelligence Agency, some Russian nuclear devices emit a burst of x-ray radiation when detonated. This radiation can destroy hardened U.S. warheads or satellite components outside the earth's atmosphere. Powerful neutron bombs are said to have a similar remote kill effect on warhead electronics within the atmosphere.

Nuclear devices can also be configured with special shielding that can focus EMP in a specific direction. According to experts, if Russia detonated one of these special high-yield devices above North America it could fry all unprotected electronic equipment throughout the United States and disrupt the entire power grid. In fact, Russian lawmakers threatened the use of such a weapon during the NATO bombing campaign over Serbia. This sort of attack, they warned, would make Y2K look like a picnic.

Given these realities, the reason for Russia's emphasis on nuclear war is simple. Many of America's technological and economic advantages over Russia could be canceled by atmospheric nuclear strikes which are not aimed at U.S. bases or cities, but are aimed at the neutralization of our electronic infrastructure.

Therefore, Russia's strategists are training their troops in nuclear war exercises because nuclear war is the only kind of war they can win. They realize that the vulnerability of America is a nuclear vulnerability. Therefore, if war should ever break out between Russia and America, Russia must use nuclear weapons to win. The same logic applies to the People's Liberation Army. If China were to wage war against America, that war would have to be nuclear.

The notion of fighting and winning a nuclear war is baffling to many Americans. It is generally believed that nuclear weapons would destroy the earth. But this is untrue. However destructive such a war may prove, the side which protects its people in blast shelters and bunkers will survive. The side without such protection will suffer devastating losses. The techniques for prosecuting such a war are carefully set down in Russian military texts. These techniques have been studied by Russian officers since the early 1960s.

It is important to understand the meaning of Russia's ongoing nuclear war exercises. It is also important to ask ourselves why Russia has constructed thousands of underground bunkers, blast shelters, and storage facilities. Whatever we think of these preparations, there is enough method in them to give us pause.

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J.R. Nyquist is a WorldNetDaily contributing editor

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The US govt. attitude (for public consumption anyway) about nuclear war seems similar (IMHO) to the Kosovo war by Clinton ... "Its all over, nothing to worry about --- don't pay any attention to the facts, dead bodies, sniping, etc. or whats happening overseas --- elect Hillary, get rid of guns ."

-- Jon Johnson (narnia4@usa.net), June 28, 1999.


And this, just to cheer you up on a Monday morning:

U.S. suspects stolen data key to China missile

---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- By Bill Gertz THE WASHINGTON TIMES ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- hina is making final preparations to test fire a new mobile intercontinental ballistic missile that the CIA believes will incorporate stolen U.S. missile and warhead secrets, The Washington Times has learned. Preparations for the launch of the road-mobile DF-31 -- which could take place as early as next week -- were spotted by U.S. spy satellites at Wuzhai in central China and reported in classified U.S. intelligence reports earlier this month, said U.S. intelligence officials familiar with the reports. "They are getting ready for a launch," one official said. The official said one U.S. intelligence agency assessed the DF- 31 test missile to be capable of carrying a 2-and-a-half-megaton warhead. A megaton is the equivalent of a million tons of TNT. Other intelligence estimates have said the DF-31 warhead size will be smaller, closer to the 100- to 200-kiloton range that is similar to compact U.S. nuclear warheads. China's two dozen CSS-4 long-range ICBMs each carry a five- megaton warhead and the CIA reported last year that at least 13 of those missiles were targeted on U.S. cities.

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Officials said they were viewing the signs of an impending missile test with caution because an earlier test firing set for December was scrapped, possibly to wait for warmer weather. The 5,000-mile-range missile will be able to hit targets in parts of the western United States. According to a report released last month by a special House panel investigating Chinese espionage, the DF-31 is likely to be the first missile in the People's Liberation Army (PLA) arsenal to incorporate stolen U.S. warhead design technology, including either the advanced W-88 warhead, or the older W-70 warhead used on short- range Lance missiles. "The DF-31 ICBM and the PRC's other new generation mobile ICBMs will require smaller, more compact warheads," said the report by a committee headed by Rep. Christopher Cox, California Republican. "The stolen U.S. information on the W-70 or W-88 Trident D-5 will be useful for this purpose." The D-5 is the most advanced U.S. submarine- launched ballistic missile. The report said the DF-31 could be ready for operational deployment by 2002 if tests are successful. It said the DF-31, one of three new mobile ICBMs the Chinese are developing, could be tested this year. The CIA also stated in a damage assessment produced earlier this year on Chinese nuclear spying that Beijing's nuclear espionage helped advance China's strategic nuclear missile program. The stolen design information is expected to appear in the next generation of strategic weapons, like the DF-31 and a longer-range version, the DF- 41, in a few years, the agency stated. Regarding the impending flight test, U.S. intelligence agencies are closely monitoring the Wuzhai Missile and Space Test Center, about 400 miles southwest of Beijing, where the DF-31 is being built. The missile was photographed there by a spy satellite in October 1996, when silos related to tests were also spotted. Intelligence monitors, including satellites and reconnaissance aircraft, are watching the Wuzhai site for the test and officials said they will be looking out for whether China makes the jump from a large single warhead to small, multiple warheads. The first flight test of the DF-31 took place in May 1995 and other missile tests showed China's use of "penetration aids" --dummy warheads designed to fool missile defenses. China has been working slowly on the new DF-31 and last tested its rocket motor during President Clinton's visit to China a year ago. The July 1 test, according to some Pentagon officials, was an "ejection test" of the DF-31 missile. Its timing was viewed as a political signal to the United States, coming as it did during the summit, these officials said. A White House spokesman at the time sought to play down the significance of the test as simply part of China's nuclear modernization program, which the Clinton administration does not appear to oppose. A classified 1996 report by the Air Force's National Air Intelligence Center (NAIC), states that the DF-31 is a single-warhead missile with a range of more than 4,500 miles that was in the "late stages" of development. The missile, only the second road-mobile ICBM in the world after Russia's SS-25s and SS-27s, uses solid-fuel propulsion that will be a major improvement over China's liquid-fuel CSS-4 missiles, the current mainstay of the Chinese ICBM force. "The DF-31 ICBM will give China a major strike capability that will be difficult to counterattack at any stage of its operation," states the Air Force report, labeled "secret." "It will be a significant threat not only to U.S. forces deployed in the Pacific theater, but to portions of the continental United States and to many of our allies." The Air Force report contained a map showing the range of DF-31 to be sufficient for it to hit targets throughout the western United States along a line running southwest from Wisconsin through California. According to the Air Force, the DF-31 will provide a boost to China's strategic missile design "similar to those of current generation Russian missiles." The report also said the missile will probably be fitted with decoys and chaff to defeat missile defenses. A longer-range version of the DF-31, known as the DF-41, will have a 7,000-mile range, enough to hit targets throughout the United States. The DF-41 is expected to be deployed soon after the DF-31. The Chinese are developing a submarine-launched version of the DF-31 known as the JL-2 with an even longer range that will be deployed on China's Type 094-class nuclear missile submarines. The JL- 2 will have a range of 7,500 miles that "will allow it to be launched from the PRC's territorial waters and to strike targets throughout the United States," the Cox committee report said.



-- Jon Johnson (narnia4@usa.net), June 28, 1999.


Thank you, Jon, for catching my booboo....I erroneously mentioned the adjoining column from what I meant......appreciate your printing the correct one. I appreciate your sharp eye and time in copying the article I meant!

-- Jo Ann (MaJo@Michiana.com), June 28, 1999.

Jo Ann and Jon,

Thanks to both of you for this information. This is perhaps the best condensation of the probable (IMHO) coming situation. And we have no defense against it. As long as we play "bully" games and meddle in the internal affairs of foreign governments, as we have, then some sort of retaliatory *surprise* should be expected. As has been stated, once there is awareness of vulnerability due to computer breakdown, the window of opportunity is open. I, too, think that Y2k will be small potatoes compared to this EMF potential alone.

-- Gordon (gpconnolly@aol.com), June 28, 1999.


Correction: EMP

-- Gordon (gpconnolly@aol.com), June 28, 1999.


Stick that in your pipe and smoke it, Maria.

-- a (a@a.a), June 28, 1999.

but,,b,bb,bbbutt, but they are too pp,,ppppooor to fight.

-- monopolyisfortherich (weare@losing.com), June 29, 1999.

the idea of "surviving" a large nuclear war is absurd

radiation affects fetuses and infants far more than healthy adults

even if a minority of people stayed in "doctor strangelove" bunkers, there wouldn't be a habitable world for them to re-emerge into -- where would they grow food? where would they have clean air and water that didn't contain deadly fallout that causes birth defects and deleterious mutations?

all future generations of all species exist NOW in the current gene pools -- any severe damage that we cause to the Earth diminishes the potential for future generations to exist

by the way, the US military also has a lot of underground nuclear war bunkers, but no one should take them to be serious efforts to "survive" after a nuclear war they'd probably be the first places to be bombed

-- mark robinowitz (mrobinowitz@igc.org), June 29, 1999.


"...the idea of "surviving" a large nuclear war is absurd..."

Tell that to the Russian Military, Mark. What we think doesn't make a damn bit of difference. By the way, Klintler has put out a directive to the effect that we will intentionally absorb a first strike before retaliating. Whatta sport he is!

-- Jeremiah Jetson (laterthan@uthink.y2k), June 29, 1999.


Life around Chernobyl goes on! Portions of the plant are still operational. Workers are brought in from outside a fenced zone, I believe 30 kilometers surrounding the accident site. A much higher incidence of cancer in the region (breasts removed in great numbers). Animals and plant life florish like after a wildfire). Life not the same, but definitely survivable by many!

-- (snowleopard6@webtv.net), June 29, 1999.


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