Well... I guess that's enough said... four days left to vote - ends June 30th at 2359 GMT, 7:59pm Eastern Time. Vote on any MARP Tournament thread... I'll get it in due time.

BTW... you can still play if you don't vote, I'm saying that to make sure everyone knows this.

We also have to determine which scoreboard we're going to use. A. 30-20-15-11-8-6-4-3-2-1(Donut's Suggestion) B. Straight place ranking scoreboard, worst gets 1, next to worst gets 2, 3rd worst gets 3, etc.(Aquatarkus's Suggestion) C. Ditto B, except first place gets an extra 4 points, second gets an extra 2 points, and third gets an extra one point.(My suggestion)

If anyone cares, my dad voted B... but I guess that vote doesn't count does it? (he hates video games...)

What does count is my vote, which is B... which makes that 2-0 (I'm counting Pat's vote)

I'm still tilting to MAME 35 RC 2... but am still leaving MAME 34 final open. I can easily tilt toward using both. I really don't think we should have a use just any MAME possible, because it would be very difficult for the judges to find every MAME version, which the MARP doesn't have.

Still trying to find TG Settings... I'm now trying Walter Day himself... so I guess it's TG Settings or bust now. :)

I'll see yall later. :)

-- Gameboy9 (goldengameboy@geocities.com), June 27, 1999

Answers

Forgot something... in any leaderboard case, if you don't have a recording, you get a zero for that game.

-- Gameboy9 (goldengameboy@geocities.com), June 27, 1999.

I vote for option B as far as the scoring goes.

Also, I believe that it wouldn't be too much of a hardship to use both MAME 34 final as well as the latest beta. The tourney is going to last 3 months and the unfortunate part of that is that there will always be a newer beta to use. Using MAME 34 final for all games that are functional under that version seems to be the most logical choice, unless someone can find a reason why this is a bad choice. Judging by the games that seem to be shaping up as our choices, it looks like the MAME 34 final should be workable under most cases.

Have we discussed the possibility of ties? I bring this up because F- 1 Dream will definitely come under this question. I know it's the top ranked game at this moment, but we may have to drop it for practical reasons.

JoustGod

-- JoustGod (pinballwiz1@msn.com), June 27, 1999.

This is a good point JoustGod, but with the place ranking system, easily tie-breakable. Add up the times of all the races to break any tie. Or we can just call it a tie and move on... I like the former better...

-- Gameboy9 (goldengameboy@geocities.com), June 27, 1999.

Chris,

Look at http://www.snipercade.com/cubeman/tgts.txt

In there it addresses most of the games in question. If there are games missing still email me. I'll look over your list again to make sure.

Mark

-- Mark Longridge (cubeman@iname.com), June 27, 1999.

GB, I have to disagree with adding times of races, as that isn't how the TG recognize the scores for that game.

-- Chris Parsley (cparsley1@hotmail.com), June 27, 1999.

GB, I personally think that for ties we simply consider them ties is the only approach. If 3 people get the same score - say 1st place - then they would each get (1st + 2nd + 3rd) / 3 points and the next best person would get 4th place points.

ie: Treat it the same as golf prize moneys - except we'll drop the idea of a playoff if there is a tie for 1st place. We're big enough to live with a draw - aren't we?! Besides, who says there has to always be a winner. ;-)

BeeJay.

-- BeeJay (bjohnstone@cardinal.co.nz), June 27, 1999.

OK... sounds good to me... we'll count ties as ties. :)

Another clear example that everyone makes the rules :)

OK... I'll shut up now :)

-- Gameboy9 (goldengameboy@geocities.com), June 27, 1999.

In essence, F-1 Dream will be rendered rather useless for the fact that it will see a great deal of tie scores. We need to stay away from the "easy-to-tie" type games...i.e. any bowling games. It appears that we have enough "e-t-t" type games in MAME that we could have an "everyone wins" tournament...let's see, here's the game list:

Dominos Battle Lane Comotion Coors Light Bowling Fax Lazer Command Meadows Lanes Shuuz Bowl-O-Rama Blockade

My tongue was planted firmly in my cheek, of course!

JoustGod

-- JoustGod (pinballwiz1@msn.com), June 27, 1999.

JG,

A good point and I for one when I voted for F1 Dream was not aware that it had a "maximum point" score.

So GB, please take my vote away from F1 Dream and give it to River Patrol instead.

BeeJay.

-- BeeJay (bjohnstone@cardinal.co.nz), June 27, 1999.

River Patrol, eh? heh heh heh. Hey, btwbj, why have you reduced all of our names to initials but choose to have your full name remain? Hmmmm? ;)

-- JoustGod (pinballwiz1@msn.com), June 27, 1999.

ok bj, jg, and all other initialed people, I'm replacing my F1 Dream two voter.

I'll make my new two voter a costly one! Money Puzzle Exchanger, solo play - my very first high score came from there :)

-- GB (goldengameboy@geocities.com), June 27, 1999.

JG,

I guess I shorten them because:

1) I'm basically lazy a shorten things when I can. 2) BJ and BeeJay are the same when spoken. 3) I'm so used to typing BeeJay it doesn't take long to flow off the keyboard.

BJ ;-p

-- BJ (bjohnstone@cardinal.co.nz), June 28, 1999.

I'd vote for A...since not everyone's gonna play every game. (Like me, if you still include Tempest, I will shy away from it...this game scares me in places...) This way, we have an equal point system for all the many games we'll have. I mean, if 15 players play Tempest and 16 play Gyruss, first place will be different for the two games. If we use A, we'll get an equal scoring system and no controversy. We can always alter it to score more players, but some variation of A I'll do. Also, I'd like to change another vote. Since F-1 Dream is too controversial, I'd like to change my vote from that to Cabal...(bootleg, unless original works soon)

-- Sports Dude (shyboy820@aol.com), June 28, 1999.

SportsDude,

You're wrong about the scoring. If there are 16 players then 1st place would always get 16 pts. If only 15 play a game then the one that doesn't submit a score gets a goose egg, and everyone else gets 16 down through 2 pts. No one gets a score of 1 pt. Make sense?

-- Pat (laffaye@ibm.net), June 28, 1999.

That's right Pat... that's the intention...

No matter how many recordings are submitted, the first place score will always be the same.(16 points if 16 people are playing, no more, no less)

Catch yall later

-- Gameboy9 (goldengameboy@geocities.com), June 28, 1999.

If I'm not too late, a tourney sounds fun. After reading posts here, here are my votes. 2 votes: Us vs. Them 1 vote each: Lock & Chase Quiz and Dragons Super Baseball 2020 Treasure Hunt Thanks, and let's play the game

-- Arron Wendl (wecdracd@gateway.com), June 30, 1999.

If we are accepting tiebreaker votes, then here's mine: 5pts - Super Baseball 2020 (I like Parsley's idea of a full game) 4pts - Tron (Nice game of a nice movie, too bad Intellivision's wasn't) 3pts - Quiz and Dragons (No cheating ppl) 2pts - Badlands (A little racing to balance things out) 1pt - Don't know yet

-- Arron Wendl (wecdracd@gateway.com), June 30, 1999.

I noticed that Klax is listed twice at 19th & 25th. What the actual total?

I don't know how many games we plan to end up with, but as suggested before, I don't think there should be more than 2 of any particular type. For example, if Klax comes into play (nice pun!), either Puzzle de Pon, Money Puzzler, or Klax should not be in the tourney.

-- Pat (laffaye@ibm.net), June 30, 1999.