Pollys on Parade - This week's profile: "Buddy"greenspun.com : LUSENET : TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000) : One Thread |
"Hello. My name is Buddy and I am a pollyanna"Buddy is a convert. Used to be a 7-on-a-10-scale doomer, now he is a -1.999. You read that right: negative 2. In other words, Buddy thinks y2k and the coming financial collapse will be a GOOD thing. So don't bother asking buddy why y2k won't be so bad; he's leapfrogged us all and is attempting to explain why y2k will have a positive outcome. Oil production increased, and cheaper! Agricultural production increased, less hungry people in the world! No more pesky banking errors. Fewer layoffs at Lockheed and Intel. Higher stock prices for Amazon.com and Ebay. Better safety at chemical plants. Prosperity for Russia, Indonesia, and North Korea. More sexy stares from his wife. In a word, Utopia. That is what Buddy says we have in store for us.
What does ol' Bud base all this high flying optimism on? All the recent "good" news reports, and his experience running a y2k project. I think he said he successfully upgraded 6 PC's to NT 4.0.
What's wrong with this picture?
http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=mb237006&MyNum=930086573&P=Yes&TL=929990063
-- a (a@a.a), June 24, 1999
A@a.a.......I'd be careful getting too personal with peoples profiles if I were you......I like to have as much fun as the next guy but sarcastic wit poking fun at others will get the same type of response back.....
You might also want to consider that there are those of us here on this forum that are web developers and have far more resources and technical knowledge at our disposal should we choose to 'have a little fun' at your expense!!
-- Craig (craig@ccinet.ab.ca), June 24, 1999.
Gee Craig...Web Developers for real? What'cha got - an HTML bazooka?No, seriously...if I have hurt anyones feelings I'm sorry. My aim is to alert people to the disinformation that abounds and the danger that lies ahead, but like Cory, we I agree we need to keep our sense of humor. deJager is correct when he says that we must find a funny side to y2k or it will indeed overpower us. I pretty much think everybody here is a great guy, we just differ in our prognostications.
Buddy was an easy target. And his views really puzzle me. He's a CPR's CPR. And like another poster said concerning our incessant Flint bashing,
"Compared to 99% of the population, Milne and Flint are on the same page."
If anyone wants to poke fun at me for my personal views that are unorthodox (like my belief that some UFOs are neither flying saucers nor hoaxes, or that the market will crash 50% this year), have at it.
-- a (a@a.a), June 24, 1999.
"a", keep up the good work. Pollys On Parade should be a weekly column. The IMPORTANT thing is emphasis on DISINFORMATION that these folks spew forth daily. Your efforts are much appreciated.Loved the comment on the HTML Bazooka !!
Ray
-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), June 24, 1999.
Well, this is interesting. Now, disinformation doesn't just mean a difference of opinion. Honest people can legitimately disagree. Disinformation is a matter of technique. So Let's turn around what 'a' wrote, using *precisely* the same techniques, and see what we get."Hello. My name is 'a' and I am a paranoid lunatic"
'a' is a convert. Used to be a -1.999 scale realist, now he is a 7-10 doomer. You read that right: plus 7-10. In other words, 'a' thinks y2k and the coming good times will be a BAD thing. So don't bother asking 'a' why y2k will be so helpful; he's leapfrogged us all and is attempting to explain why y2k will have a *negative* outcome. Fixing bugs will cause problems. Newer, faster and better computers will make things worse. Our rapid technological advances will make most of the world miserable! Increased economic efficiency will *lower* our standard of living. No more sex from his wife. In a word, gloom. That is what 'a' says we have in store for us.
What does ol' 'a' base all this doom and gloom on? All the recent "bad" news reports, and his experience running a y2k project. I think he said he successfully upgraded 6 PC's to NT 4.0.
What's wrong with this picture?
Clearly, this is disinformation. Yet it's just what 'a' wrote, in essential techniques. The only thing missing from minor wording changes is, this isn't posted to a forum of people making rational projections. If it were, the dim bulbs there would be accusing *a* of disinformation, rather than whoever posted the slander.
-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), June 24, 1999.
Yes Flint,DISINFORMATION has been and will continue to be the driving force of the designated assignees of this Administration right down to their local professional Trolls.
When the dust settles and people finally wake up to the fact that they have been DUPED by the likes of John Kos-Skin-Em and his local assignees they will be on the war path.
Your Pal, Ray
-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), June 24, 1999.
And Flint, here is an article that puts it all in perspective:So Flint, go ahead and Yada ... Yada .... Yada this away !!
Your Pal, Ray
-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), June 24, 1999.
Ray, get ready; a wants to speak to follow aliens. Don those rabbit ears pronto!
-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), June 24, 1999.
Maria, quite PROFOUND !!Your Pal, Ray
-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), June 24, 1999.
Really, you must admit that anybody who publicly predicts a -2 deserves to be lampooned. What with it being an el Nina year and all.
-- lisa (lisa@work.now), June 24, 1999.
Lisa...Please excuse this correction but it is La Nina this year and it was El Nino last year. It's a Spanish male/female thing you see.
-- Barry (barryjaynes@usenvitech.com), June 24, 1999.
"A@aa" wrote: "Buddy was an easy target".---something about Glass Houses here---
Frankly "a", I think your constant personality-bashing of people whom you disagree with is wearing quite thin. If you (and "Ray") truly want to alert people to "the disinformation that abounds and the danger that lies ahead"you may want to stick simply to addressing the issues which are raised. This "name-calling" crap only serves to expose your ass and it goes directly to your credibility.
Craig- Good post! It at least got his attention as shown by his statement:"No, seriously...if I have hurt anyones feelings I'm sorry." We'll see how "sincere" he remains.
Flint- Your "shoe on the other foot" technique is a great way for people to determine if an author is maintaining a double standard.
Ray- Care to comment on whether or not you agree with what Flint said? Specifically; "Disinformation is a matter of technique. -- cut-- Clearly, this is disinformation. Yet it's just what 'a' wrote, in essential techniques."
-- CD (not@here.com), June 24, 1999.
Thanks CD, but I think I'll just keep on a keepin. Seems like it is quite effective, based how many of you folks come out of the woodwork !!Your Pal, Ray
-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), June 24, 1999.
This one's for you, a.http://www.sightings.com/
-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), June 24, 1999.
I suppose it's those Clinton plants at "PC Weekly" that wrote the well-balanced Y2K article last month. Administration lackeys are hiding in major corporations announcing Y2K readiness. Admit it, Ray. Disinformation is just your way of describing reports you don't agree with. Because you KNOW Y2K is the end of the road, all those nasty media types must be lying. Oh, and all those nasty corporate types and nasty goverment types. Who's left, Ray? (laughter)What I find amazing is that the right wing folks on this forum are the first to run to government for Y2K solutions. They are the first to make the "polly's" responsible for the actions of others. What happened to those cornerstones of conservative thought, freedom for government intervention and personal responsibility? Did you vote for Clinton, Ray? He wants government to solve our problems. He supports groups who blame others for their misfortunes. C'mon, Ray. Hard concept here, but personal freedom is not just for those who agree with you. Personal responsibility is not just for welfare mothers... it applies to your everyone. [By the way, were you the standoffish fellow at the Virginia gathering? If so, I'm hurt you didn't come over and chat.]
Let me know me know when you want to profile me, "A." Here's a factoid... I was not born in Roswell. (laughter)
Regards,
-- Mr. Decker (kcdecker@worldnet.att.net), June 24, 1999.
OK CD and Craig, I'll refrain from all name calling for 5 days. We'll see if that changes the equation any. I doubt it will.BTW, if Buddy can explain how my post is disinformation, I would appreciate it. Was he kidding when he said he was a -2?
-- a (a@a.a), June 24, 1999.
Don't apologize, a. Buddy has spent plenty of clock time jacking with forum denizens, anonymously..... he's fortunate that this is the worst treatment that's befallen him.
-- lisa (lisa@work.now), June 24, 1999.
Hey Decker, do you think there is ANYTHING you or Flint can say that will change the FACT that this Administration has hired a SHILL to represent it's position on y2k?Oh gosh, do I love to see you folks come out frotthing at the mouth !1
Your Pal, Ray
-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), June 24, 1999.
Hey Decker, Did you know that Human cloning has been going on since Nov of last year? That Scientists have been teleporting photons and electrons since last year? That a group of scientists said last year that a "conscious" computer chip is only a few years and a few billion dollars away? That New theories show that an infinite amount of energy can be produced from empty space?Of course not. Because your mind has closed. You can't teach an old dog new tricks, Deck, and intellectually you're the oldest dog on the block. This 2000. This is the future boy, get with it. You remind me of the folks from the last century who would have argued that the idea of space travel, CD players, and cell phones was hogwash. 90% of science fiction is premature science fact.
UFO and ESP phenomena is currently unexplained. And many of life's other intricacies are still unexplained. Just like the y2k and world financial problems, you can't change that fact by wishing it wasn't so.
-- a (a@a.a), June 24, 1999.
OK, I'll bite a little for now. I reserve the right to say more later."a" wants to know how his post is disinformation, or misinformation, as the case may be.
"In other words, Buddy thinks y2k and the coming financial collapse will be a GOOD thing." ---- dis(mis)information #1: "coming financial collapse" -- This is your prediction "a." You say it like it is a fact. ---- dis(mis)information #2:"Oil production increased, and cheaper!" -- I have never posted any such thing. ---- dis(mis)information #3:"Agricultural production increased, less hungry people in the world!" -- same answer as #2 ---- dis(mis)information #4: "No more pesky banking errors." -- same as 2 & 3 ---- dis(mis)information #s 5,6,7,8 :Fewer layoffs at Lockheed and Intel. Higher stock prices for Amazon.com and Ebay. Better safety at chemical plants. Prosperity for Russia, Indonesia, and North Korea. -- same as above
Although I never said any of this, I wouldn't be surprised to see higher prices for IBM, Microsoft, and Cisco, to name a few. I won't touch Amazon and eBay. I expect them both to get blown out of the water for reasons totally unrelated to Y2K.
dis(mis)information #9: More sexy stares from his wife. -- irrelevant
dis(mis)information #10: What does ol' Bud base all this high flying optimism on? All the recent "good" news reports, and his experience running a y2k project. I think he said he successfully upgraded 6 PC's to NT 4.0. --- I have never described the Y2K project I am involved in except for this:
http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=mb237006&MyNum=9 30006369&P=Yes&TL=929966727
...from my company and others I have spoken to the primary risks for most SME's are in the following systems:
Telephones Security HVAC Financial Accounting System LAN/Network/Internet
Telephones: upgrades and patches are available from all major manufacturers. Contingency plan is to back-date the system.
Security: same as telephones with additional contingency of manual entry point control.
HVAC: upgrades/patches; back-dating; manual overrides
Financial Accounting System: If customized, then the fix is more difficult, but basic functionality can be fixed with patches/upgrades. Even these systems can be back dated--pain in the neck for accounting staff, but it can be done.
LAN/Network/Internet: again, customizations may be a problem but basic functionality is COTS upgrades and patches
I suspect that the one mission-critical failure for most companies predicted by Gartner/Cap Gemini/etc. is in the Financial Accounting System in which most mission-critical failures have already happened or at least the company is already aware that it will happen.
------------------ I stopped posting here because y'all asked me too. I haven't trolled here since I discovered that the "moderators" were starting to identify the polly trolls for everyone despite the fact that there are more doomer trolls here than there are polly ones. Besides, most people here wouldn't know a troll if it dragged them under the bridge. Your definition of troll is the same as pollyanna. Wrong. A troll is an anonymous poster who usually attacks one of the posters. Most of my "troll" posts were really just ideas that I wished to allow to stand alone without being attached to a name.
I guess you're just having a little fun at my expense "a." That's OK, but at least get your facts straight and don't make up stuff and attribute it to somebody when they said nothing of the kind. That's called slander.
As for my stance of -1.999. I fully expect some problems at the rollover. But I maintain that most problems are occurring now. The majority of those are the so-called Jo-Anne Effect, which is happening to just about every company as we speak. They're dealing with it. I think that means that we are already at or above a level 1 on the WDCY2K scale. I think that after the rollover we will witness some positive effects. Y2K is causing the biggest spring cleaning job the world has ever seen. For the rest of this year and next year the introduction of new technologies and new systems will boom as companies replace the stuff that is breaking.
Of course, there is more to it than this, but that's all I can say for now.
-- Buddy (buddydc@go.com), June 24, 1999.
What I find amazing is that the right wing folks on this forum are the first to run to government for Y2K solutions.I'm a right-wing folk and I don't know what in the hell you're talking about. It seems to me that more conservative folks here are, if anything, more fearful of government "solutions" to Y2K disruptions.
-- Dog Gone (layinglow@rollover.now), June 24, 1999.
Uh little a?You're not making any sense big boy....... you're speaking of technological advances and new theories. All in the face of the end of time. And little a - you're definitely a 10+ doomer, right up Milne's fanny. So what is it?? Are we in for better days or are we screwed?? Make up your mind man, this is the future?? Are we screwed or not??
-- Deano (deano@luvthebeach.com), June 24, 1999.
Ray,Laughing is not frothing. Close, but no cigar. And your personal opinion of the "Y2K Czar" is supposed to... what?
"A,"
Nice try, "A," but you won't get the Luddite shoe to fit here. I believe serious scientists are hard at work. In another century, they will produce "miracles" by today's standards (and the free market will help push this process smartly along.)
Don't confuse real science with tabloid pap and don't exagerate. Experimentation with human cloning is not the same as human cloning in practice. The theory of "cold fusion" is not cold fusion in practice. Theories are wonderful stuff, "A," cheap and easy to produce. Unfortunately, only a few make the grade in real science.
In another 100 years, the "paranormal" folks will still be playing with ghost dectectors while scientists move us forward. Take a break, "A." Spend some time on real science, and ease up on smoking Star Trek by the bowl.
Finally, "A," Y2K problems are mostly speculation, just like your beloved science fiction. For someone who may have actually opened a physic text, you seem confused by the difference between "fact" and "theory."
Regards,
-- Mr. Decker (kcdecker@worldnet.att.net), June 24, 1999.
Thanks a, I havent laughed this much since your discovery of EMP.I appreciate your sharing your knowledge of UFOs and other supernatural phenomena. I also find your assessment of our dark ages skepticism most accurate. We pollys dont really see these allegations as truths and leave them for the tabloid mongers. Also, your thinking gives credence to the Variance that doomers are so willing to go outside the box. Now should we take a poll on this forum and ask how many other participants believe theres proof of the existence of UFOs. We might find a direct correlation between the believers and the doomers as well as the non-believers and the pollys. Hmmm. Another interesting piece of the puzzle.
-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), June 24, 1999.
"a", this thread (and the next ones to come in your "series of profiles") is more valuable then perhaps you thought. It really exposes the trolls who pretend to be Y2K pollyannas, versus the honest pollys who legitimately are optimistic (e.g., Hoffmeister, Flint). I think it is especially important for people (especially newbies) to understand that there exists a bunch of trolls that conspire on a completely different (so-called "de-bunking Y2K") web-site to confuse, harass, and otherwise waste the time of legitimate Yourdon posters (regardless of whether they are "doomers", "pollys", or somewhere in between).
And I am glad that you "paraded" the troll we know as "Buddy" first, since one would not otherwise suspect his hidden agenda. Keep up the good work, the one you do on Decker ought to be fascinating, since he seems to be the cleverest.
-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.com), June 24, 1999.
Surprisingly, a is actually right with some of his science on the fringe claims. Trouble is, most of it is not accepted into the mainstream of scientific thought, as yet.Incidentally, the only scientist I know of who has tapped any of the vacuum energy, as yet, is Dr. Forward of Hughes Lab. His best efforts have barely registered on a sensitive voltmeter. Lot of power there in theory, but there is a long leap from theory to practice, and another long leap to practical engineering.
And if you are referring to quantum tunneling as teleportation, electrons have been pushed into doing that since the invention of the tunnel diode.
-- Paul Davis (davisp1953@yahoo.com), June 24, 1999.
My O My, look at all the little TROLLSTERS here, "a" you sure know how to get the kids to come out and play.Decker, FROTHING is FROTHING, every time I bring up the fact that we have a SHILL in charge of the Administrations y2k program you folks come unglued. I addition please do not forget that this SHILL has hired MANY other SHILLS to spread the word. Who knows maybe we have some present here today !!
Your Pal, Ray
-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), June 24, 1999.
Hey Spermhead,It's 'most clever' not 'cleverest'. English your first language??
Deano
-- Deano (deano@luvthebeach.com), June 24, 1999.
From Gary North is a Big Fat Idiot Forum, Thread #1115I think I'm home now..... - Date: Apr 07, 14:35
Have heard quite a bit about this place and now I see the time is limited. Bummer. Name's Deano, Y2K project manager at a Fortune 500 company that has completed everything. Even made the 12/31/1998 deadline. Spend quite a bit of time arguing with the doomers over at yourdonefors place. They're not too fond of ol' Deano over there but I have a little fun with'em anyway. Never was one to warm up to a raving lunatic anyhow.
Just wanted to let yall know that there are plenty involved in the game that really and truly 'get it' (to use one of their phrases).
Deano
Hello Deano - Date: Apr 08, 01:28
For what it is worth, welcome. The more the merrier, though it has been scarce since the announcemnt went up on the 15th. However, whatever posts you can make before then would be appreciated.
Keep smiling,
Jonathan
-A computer glitch will not bring about the end of civilization. It takes hordes of panicking people to do that.-
SSSHHHHHH - Date: Apr 08, 03:14
Just between you and I and the lamp post (C.S. Lewis) we are planning on taking over and defusing the timeBomb.
Cherri
Count me in...... - Date: Apr 08, 07:44
I'm in.
Deano
That sounds like fun! - Date: Apr 08, 13:53
I thought you knew about this place Deano. Sorry I should have pointed it out over at Eddie's place. Cherri, count me in. I understand you took up Cory's challenge. If you need anything, just ask.
Maria
I did......just hard to find the time.... - Date: Apr 09, 08:28 Cherri
Nice to see a familiar face! I had heard about it but never really had the time to check it out. With testing winding down and all, results being distributed, things are a bit more laid back now. Actually have some time to surf a little. Made it over here and kicked myself for not showing up sooner. A lot of those folks at Eddie's tend to rub me the wrong way. We certainly have different views on life. I prefer to enjoy mine as much as possible. You seem the same. Funny how optimism can do that to a person.
I'm really looking forward to the rollover and subsequent non-event. I will have to laugh. They keep saying they won't have to grocery shop for a year. How fucking long can a person eat beans and rice?!? Especially if LongHorns is serving ribeye's and t-bones right down the street! I'm not even sure they realize how long it takes to cook dried beans. What, 6-8 hours?? How much fuel will that burn for a friggin' pot of beans??
Enough ramblin' for now.......see ya Maria and thanks!
Deano
-- truth? (look@these.remarks), June 24, 1999.
You are incorrect, Beano. Webster's Unabridged makes it quite plain:clever cleverer cleverest
-- Vic (Rdrunner@internetwork.net), June 24, 1999.
Just for you, a --http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=mb237006&MyNum=9 26455471&P=Yes&TL=926407580 Tuesday, 11-May-1999 16:44:31
206.99.225.3 writes:
Sometimes I wonder if "a@a.a" is Ed Yourdon. http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=000oZD
Doomslayer [Buddy's old handle]
http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=mb237006&MyNum=9 29482757&P=Yes&TL=929466261
Sayonara Timebomb 2000
Tuesday, 15-Jun-1999 17:39:17
206.99.225.3 writes:
I've been trying to wean myself from that place. With things like this post and other recent events there I now find it totally useless. May lurk a little, but will leave them to their foolishness.
Maybe more like pissing in the wind?
Buddy
-- OuringsR (us@here.yar), June 24, 1999.
Truth, many thanks, it's quite apparent what these TROLLSTERS are up to. Put em all together and they couldn't punch their way out of a wet paper bag.The more we can expose them for what they are the sooner newbies will be able to make sense out of the Threads they infect.
Ray
-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), June 24, 1999.
"Spain,"Hate to cut into your "oil wrestling" time. If you actually read my posts, you'll find that, like Flint, I am a real world pessimist. It's only in comparison to the "doom and gloom" set that I seem a Pollyanna. Hmmm... whatever could that mean? Perhaps "fringe" is more than just trim on your favorite female wrestling costume?
Davis presents some interesting ideas. I'd welcome an armchair discussion of science with him... theory or fact. The problem I have with "A" is fuzzy thinking... about science, Y2K, and, well, every other subject I've seen him discuss. If the pessimists would only apply a reasonable level of rational thought....
Regards,
-- Mr. Decker (kcdecker@worldnet.att.net), June 24, 1999.
"King of Spain" said, "And I am glad that you "paraded" the troll we know as "Buddy" first, since one would not otherwise suspect his hidden agenda. "And what, pray tell, do you think that hidden agenda is?
I see that many are making the same mistake in defining what a troll is. Either you didn't read what I wrote, or you're ignoring it. If one posts as a@a.a and says simply, "You're a moron," then one is a troll. However, if one posts with a legitimate e-mail address (as this post has) then one is not a troll, at least for that particular post. Get it?
And what constitutes a "legitimate Yourdon poster" might I ask? Does calling yourself "King of Spain" make you legitimate? How about "a@a.a?" What the heck is that? If I post as "a@a.a" am I stealing a screen name? I could go on. The list of doomer troll names here must number in the hundreds by now.
To me, it doesn't matter what people call themselves. It's the words that count. That's part of the problem with this place. Once you get familiar with somebody you start accepting almost everything they say without question.
-- Buddy (buddydc@go.com), June 24, 1999.
I see that the troll OutingsRus posted while I was posting. That's what you are OutingsR, a troll. You are a perfect example. You do nothing but stir up trouble. I wonder why the "moderators" allow someone to post like that, but are willing to selectively expose other trolls.For what it's worth, the only reason I posted here today is because the discussion was about me. And if you were paying attention you would have seen over the months that I have been around that I have done nothing to disrupt threads that were discussing how to prepare. I usually have posted to threads started by other pollys or threads containing speculation on what will happen.
-- Buddy (buddydc@go.com), June 24, 1999.
So, Buddy: what offends you more: what a wrote or what OutingsR does? Just trying to figure what's got you aggravated.
-- lisa (lisa@work.now), June 24, 1999.
Maria & Decker: A very predictable response from you two: scientific data that you cannot make sense of is discarded, because OF COURSE we all know how the world "works". The practice of discarding data is much worse for the advancement of science than junk science, which is usually easily identifiable, Decker, in 100 years, assuming y2k doesn't land us back in the Dark Ages, today's science will be replaced with something new. And there are star systems that are billions of years ahead of ours that almost surely have intelligent life. Believe me son, there'll be plenty of room for new things under the sun that today are written off as "hallucination". It boggles, or at least should boggle, your mind.People once had myths of "flying carpets". Now we press buttons on a TV set and reserve seats on one. Sailors once fantasized about "seven league boots". Now we have nuclear subs patrolling the sea with H-bomb tipped ICBMs. People today are entertained by a magician pulling a rabbit from his hat. Nanotechnology may one day allow a pork roast to be grown from a bale of hay. It's The day the universe changed, guys.
Deano: The technologies I listed (BTW Deck, the energy source I was referring to is from quantum vacuum fluctuations, not cold fusion) are conceivable in the next few years IF we aren't derailed by "the problem". That's a huge IF. I'm a 7-10 depending on the scale. I give a full blown Milne a 1 in 5 chance, 10 yr depression a 1 in 2 and bank runs/market crash almost 100%. See
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=000aZe.
-- a (a@a.a), June 24, 1999.
Buddy -- huh? Are you saying you didn't write those posts that were cut and pasted? Are you saying you wish you hadn't written them? Or are you saying you wish they hadn't been cut and pasted? Maybe you're ashamed of what you wrote?
-- OutingsR (us@here.yar), June 24, 1999.
Lisa,I find what both did equally offensive. Look, I may have done some troll posts, and I may have challenged the view of many on this board, but most of the time I stay on topic. I think I've got some insight to share about the Y2K problem, but most people here are so entrenched in their positions they don't want to hear it.
You know, there seem to be more and more threads where the polly view is being asked for. Then when it is given, it gets flamed. What's the matter? Can't deal with the fact that many of us decided to spend less time here? Most days all I do is scan for thread titles like this one.
Lisa, your friends picked this fight not me, so don't talk to me about being aggravated. What, did our little fight at debunky the other day get you talking privately to some of them to stir things up? Is that what's going on in the private Timebomb 2000 Moderators forum?
See ya later. I'm gone for today.
-- Buddy (buddydc@go.com), June 24, 1999.
Well, Lisa what got you so bother by the doomer contest at debunker site? Try to read the words, one by one, then maybe you'll understand the message. That's how it works.
-- Maria (maria947@hotmail.com), June 24, 1999.
Last word for today. No OutingsR, I'm not ashamed of what I wrote. What's there to be ashamed of? It's just my honest opinion. All I'm saying is that you're just a gossip. And you're "OutingsR" persona is a perfect example of a troll.
-- Buddy (buddydc@go.com), June 24, 1999.
Paul: No, not tunneling, teleportation: ABCNEWS.com Dec. 10 Not even Einstein believed in the phenomenon behind this research. He called it spooky. But when scientists in an Austrian laboratory recently destroyed and recreated bits of light, they demonstrated a phenomenon the likes of which had previously only been witnessed on shows like Star Trek.The scientists, Anton Zeilinger and colleagues at the University of Innsbruck, destroyed the light bits (photons), in the process transferring information about a physical characteristic of the photons. Other photons picked up this information and took on the characteristic, thus becoming replicas of the original bits of light.
Zeilinger and his colleagues report results of the experiment in Thursday's issue of the journal Nature. A research team based in Rome performed similar work and submitted its report to another journal. The work of the two teams is the first demonstration of quantum teleportation, an unusual shifting of physical characteristics between nature's tiniest particles that can occur at any distance.
Although the technology is fundamentally different than that alluded to in Star Trek's transporter rooms (in which humans travel by being disassembled and reconstructed atom by atom), Zeilinger believes that scientists might be able to achieve atomic teleportation within a few years and molecular teleportation within a decade or so.
I think they're build a transporter room for Clinton as we speak. Just kidding - so far they've only quantum teleported a photon and an electron 10 feet.
-- a (a@a.a), June 24, 1999.
buddy -- A troll is an anonymous poster who usually attacks one of the posters. Most of my "troll" posts were really just ideas that I wished to allow to stand alone without being attached to a name. -- And if you were paying attention you would have seen over the months that I have been around that I have done nothing to disrupt threads that were discussing how to prepare.buddy you posted under hundreds of names -- want a list -- or will you go home to the bridge now?
-- OutingsR Us 2 (another@onehere.yar), June 24, 1999.
What I find amazing is that the right wing folks on this forum are the first to run to government for Y2K solutions.I'm still waiting for Mr. Decker to explain this remark. Yawn....
-- Dog Gone (layinglow@rollover.now), June 24, 1999.
"A,"Were you one of the ones waiting for the spaceship behind the comet? Just curious.
"Dog,"
First, how many extreme pessimists are also Clinton haters? I'd say most, based on my cursory read. How many times have you read the extreme pessismists rail against the government for what they were NOT doing. Look at the hue and cry around Yourdon's Senate song and dance. Yourdon and the others were there to ask for the Senate to SUPPORT community preparedness... with the undying affection of the forum pessimists. Why? What can the Federal government do? The pessimists want a state of national emergency declared. They also don't trust the private sector to get the job done on time. You'd think they were all liberal Democrats. (laughter) A real conservative would HOPE some government agencies fail.
Thanks for not touching the personal responsibility issue. While I think there's room for debate on the pessimists wanting government intervention... there's no question the "blood on the Polly's hands" remark has been made, directly or indirectly, on many occasions.
Smart dog.
Regards,
-- Mr. Decker (kcdecker@worldnet.att.net), June 24, 1999.
The Outings troll said:"buddy you posted under hundreds of names -- want a list -- or will you go home to the bridge now?"
A bit of hyperbole there Outings. Seems to be pretty common here. Does that mean you're one of the "moderators?" They're the only ones who have access to that information. In case you forgot, I was invited here today by "a" posting this thread. Yeah, I want a list. Go ahead and waste your time compiling it. I also want a list of all the other posters who have used multiple screen names. How about you? How many names have you used? By the way, the bridge is Y2K compliant.
-- Buddy in Cory's dreaded DC (buddydc@go.com), June 24, 1999.
Oh, by the way, any moderator who would use information like you suggest that you have won't last long as a moderator.
-- Buddy (buddydc@go.com), June 24, 1999.
Sure they will bud, just ask Clinton
-- dc'sdone (buddydc@go.com), June 25, 1999.
Decker:"Zeilinger and his colleagues report results of the experiment in Thursday's issue of the journal Nature.
"Nature" is not like "Field and Stream", Decker. It's a scientific journal. Comprehende?
-- a (a@a.a), June 25, 1999.
Actually, Nature is more like "Journal Light," but how would you know? So, where's the Nature article about UFOs? ESP? Oops, maybe you meant the television Journal, "Unsolved Mysteries." (laughter) When you can define "peer review," A, maybe we can start talking about real scientific publishing.Regards,
-- Mr. Decker (kcdecker@worldnet.att.net), June 25, 1999.
buddy -- embarr-assed by your past actions? -- no need to list -- you know what you tried to do here -- that is enough -- your agenda is clear to all -- go home -- to cpr and other de bunkers -- stop trolling here -- unless you can behave yourself -- polly comments okay -- all welcome -- nasty and abusive ones from you not -- see? -- same for your db buddies -- get it? -- good.
-- OutingsR Us 2 (another@onehere.yar), June 25, 1999.
That's nice Outings 2, but I don't recall ever being nasty or abusive, even when posting with a different screen name. FYI...I stopped trolling, am only using this name now.
-- Buddy (buddydc@go.com), June 25, 1999.
Doomslayer a.k.a. Buddy a.k.a. Average Joe a.k.a .@... a.k.a. several other random troll names, but none of the other well-known ones.-- Doomslayer (1@2.3), April 30, 1999.
-- Out of (your@own.mouth), June 25, 1999.
Here's another:For Diane,
You need to learn that comparing IP addresses won't tell you much.
For all, whatever you do with the forum, post the rules clearly. That way, those of us who believe in free speech won't bother coming here any more.
-- freedom (@@@.@), June 14, 1999.
True... freedom (@@@.@) a.k.a. Buddy from DC,
-- caught (again@by.Diane), June 25, 1999.
Hey truth and outingsr!!Think we could cut'n'paste that conversation one more time?? I've only seen it 17 times this week alone.
Haven't you figured out yet that I will say whatever I want to whoever I want and not give a rat's ass about it??? Haven't you figured out that I find most of this amusing??? That I come here for entertainment??
It wasn't alwasy this way. There was a day when things were close to sensible on this board. Then the good news started coming out and true colors along with them. I soon found out that a lot here can't cope with the way things are done now and would prefer it all to come crashing down so they can start over and make their own rules.
BTW - my American Heritage dictionary has no reference to 'cleverer' and 'cleverest'.
Deano
-- Deano (deano@luvthebeach.com), June 25, 1999.
thank you buddy -- your taking responsibility for your actions -- now back to the great y2k debate
-- OutingsR Us 2 (another@onehere.yar), June 25, 1999.
I find it interesting that you consider those last two examples nasty and abusive. If that's being nasty and abusive then what adjectives do you use to describe some of Andy's or INVAR's posts (to name a couple of abusive posters). Go back and read INVAR's story where he used my name as one of the characters.Anyway, that's enough. You don't have to give me any more examples. You've shown how much of a hypocrite you are already.
-- Buddy (buddydc@go.com), June 25, 1999.
We're not hypocrites, we can't help how we behave, we're all infected by the doom meme -- and we're going to infect you too, Bud and Deano and your polly folly friends -- look out, wheeeeeeee........ The big bad meme's gonna getcha!!! Who's afraid of the big, bad meme, the big, bad meme, tra-la-la-la-lah
-- Doom (meme@your.throat), June 25, 1999.
Hi Deano. Cleverer and cleverest are legitimate words. (I'm an English teacher- not important really, but maybe that will help with the credibility.)
-- Gayla Dunbar (privacy@please.com), June 26, 1999.
Now that Deano has had his lesson on English today, I have a question for the Beach Boy: If, as you claim, you are a Y2K project manager for a Fortune 500 company that in fact FINISHED its Y2K work last year (!!!?? -- must be the only one!!), then may I ask what it is that you DO??? I mean, why would a company need a project manager for a project that supposedly was completed six months ago?? (Geez, you should write a book outlining how you achieved what nobody else seems to be able to do, then make a fortune selling it to all those other desperate companies....)
(I can see why OutingsR seems to have such a good time. Give these trolls enough rope, they hang themselves with it twice over!)
-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.com), June 26, 1999.
Let's all hope Buddy chooses to honor his posting committments. We'll see. Or not.The trolls keep on morphing as if this was "Y2K Wars" or something. Wonder if George Lucas would be interested in the script.
Chuckles... can you imagine a bar scene where the "polly's" gather two weeks after January, 1st 2000? Imagine they're in one of Koskinen's "local" trouble spots with NO electricity and NO water... for drinks... or ice cubes.
;-D
Diane
-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), June 26, 1999.
Or not, DIANE. What will you and rest of the asylum do two weeks after the first? Start shooting people out of frustration because your apocolyptic fantasies didn't come true?
-- (fess@up.now), June 26, 1999.
it's not about odds,it's about risks.If nothing happens,tomorrow's an other semester.I can't blame the pollyanna's,they're just thinking what the television meme tells them to think
-- zoobie (zoobiezoob@yahoo.com), June 26, 1999.
Little viscious (fess@up.now) troll...I don't have "apocolyptic fantasies" for Y2K. (That's where you are stuck). I have hope that we'll all wise-up and create a global community response to get us all through this thing gracefully.
Or not. If Koskinen keeps the spin going.
Diane, still a "local" 5
-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), June 26, 1999.
Deano's recent background --http://206.28.81.29/HyperNews/get/gn/1115/1/2.html
I've been involved in this thing for well over a year now. Work for a mortgage banking service bureau that provides loan servicing software to (roughly) 150 mortgage companies/banks across the country. 20 million+ single-family mortgages are processed on our mainframe in [location kindly deleted by noble OutingsR]. It's a fairly huge operation. We started our Y2K project in 1994 and finished last year. Mainly external testing this year.
-- OutingsR (us@here.yar), June 27, 1999.
Hey Buddy you gigantic ass, what makes you think I'm an abusive poster?Explain yourself you blithering idiot.
-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), June 27, 1999.
The following URL opens up a real interesting thread which tella you what Buddy is really like --http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=mb237006&MyNum=9 22822979&P=No&TL=922822979
Here;s just one example post --
Save them from the meme, Wednesday, 31-Mar-1999 15:54:47
206.99.225.3 writes:
Maybe "save" is a poor choice of words, let's try "deprogram."
"From what?" you ask.
Here's a few:
-Assuming there will be no IRS next year
-Going deep into debt to pay for a year's worth of supplies
-Quitting a good job
-Having relationship problems with their loved ones
-Cashing in a 401K
-Getting themselves killed carrying around a gun for the first time in their lives
Doomslayer
(end cut & paste)
Doomslayer was Buddy's old name before he decided to out himself. Buddy's kinder and gentler than Doomslayer, huh? You don't mind a Buddy saving you from yourself but a Doomslayer sounds like a bad person. There's a lot of revealing stuff at this older thread. Check it out.
-- Outings (us@here.yar), June 27, 1999.
Well, I thought this was over. Oh well.Andy, your post here only proves my point. Do I really have to go searching for threads containing your name-calling to prove it further? If you want I'll retract the statement and substitute Paul Milne in your place.
Outings, I was Buddy here before I was Doomslayer. Check out the original "What about you?" thread. I endured plenty of personal attacks back then only for expressing my opinion. I've never understood why everyone here has put up with all the crap that the most radical doomsayers have been dishing out just because you agree with their Y2K assessment, and then you whine about having your opinions challenged. Besides, I really don't see anything wrong with my words in the example you cite.
A Doomslayer sounds like a bad person, eh? LOL! And Paul Milne's words make him sound like an angel? What's wrong with Doomslayer for a screen name anyway? It says I slay doom. It doesn't say I slay people, unlike the copycat Pollyslayer. All the name says is that I wish to help allay people's fears of doom and gloom. Besides, it's a play on words. Doomsayer, Doomslayer. Get it? I don't believe that the appropriate response to any crisis is to tell people they're doomed. If you really believe that things will be that bad, there are a lot more productive ways of responding to it.
In case you haven't noticed, I haven't posted to this forum lately, except for this thread, and I'm posting to this thread only because the subject is me. I've been leaving you folks alone, like you wanted me to. As for posts on Debunky, I'll say anything I damn well please over there. If you want to challenge what I say there, then come on over there and do it.
I'm really not a bad guy. My view of Y2K just differs radically from most people here. That's all. The internet is a very impersonal medium, and I think many here read too much into things very often.
-- Buddy (buddydc@go.com), June 27, 1999.
I think all of you are need of some counseling. Evidently, something has got you all out of whack. Name calling and snide remarks really help solve everyone's questions and problems. Keep up the good work guys.
-- sick of it (disgusted@best.com), June 27, 1999.
Yeah, Buddy, you are a real sicko. You better get yourself into counseling or something. (Well, first get yourself the hell out of Dee Cee, you sure don't want to be there when that place lights up in Jan. But definitely get help with your muliple troll personality problem.)
-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.com), June 27, 1999.
Ye Gods!"Andy, your post here only proves my point..."
This asshole has no sense of humour either, there is no hope for you little buddy...
-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), June 27, 1999.
Hey, Buddy, there is an article in the WASHINGTON POST on the front page that you definitely should read tomorrow (Monday). Be sure and tell us how it is really GOOD NEWS.
(And if you post under one of your other troll "personalities", we will try to understand. I mean, I saw that movie, THE THREE FACES OF EVE, and I know how tormented you must feel when you read over what "Doomslayer" of one of those other kooks has made you do what you have done. We are here for you, Buddy! We want you to get well soon!!!)
-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.com), June 28, 1999.
You're right Andy, it's hard to tell the difference between sarcasm and seriousness through such and impersonal medium such as this. I get it now.King, I have read the Post article already. I've been following the DC situation very closely, for obvious reasons. Of course it doesn't sound like good news. However, if you read closely you find that most of the contingency planning is based on power outages, which I don't expect to be a problem. I see the glass half-full, not half-empty. Besides, I live on the border of DC and Montgomery County. If things fall apart all I have to do is cross the street! :)
Can we let this thread die now? Let's call it a truce. You can claim you won if you want.
-- Buddy (buddydc@go.com), June 28, 1999.
buddy--calling off super polly/troll and other buddy debunkers--is a good idea--yes?
-- OutingsR Us 2 (another@onehere.yar), June 28, 1999.
"You're right Andy, it's hard to tell the difference between sarcasm and seriousness through such and impersonal medium such as this."Not for me bud.
-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), June 28, 1999.
OK by me, Buddy. I think that you have been thoroughly "paraded".
C'mon, "a", bring on the next troll to "de-bunk"! But please, not Decker, not quite yet. Save him for last. Since he is the ... more better clevererest.
-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.com), June 28, 1999.
Outings 2, I don't have any control over any other debunker. Despite what many think, we don't even know each other except for internet postings.
-- Buddy (buddydc@go.com), June 28, 1999.
no buddy?--post request--ask them to stop--or yourdonites continue outings--yes?--you influence--no?
-- OutingsR Us 2 (another@onehere.yar), June 28, 1999.
Only Peg has the influence to stop the ugliness. And has, I believe... to an extent.
-- lisa (lisa@work.now), June 28, 1999.
Mr. Pecker said:So, where's the Nature article about UFOs? ESP? Oops, maybe you meant the television Journal, "Unsolved Mysteries." (laughter) When you can define "peer review," A, maybe we can start talking about real scientific publishing.
You miss the point. I said we cannot explain UFOs and ESP. When we do, you will see them in the mainstream science press. Right now, they are on the fringe. You remind me of an African native trying to convince his tribe that the laser pointer the missionary showed them didn't really exist. (laughter).
As for peer reviews, here's one for starters, an article from the scientific journal Statistical Science, that has been peer reviewed THREE times:
Equidistant Letter Sequences in the Book of Genesis
But, just like the overwhelming evidence that y2k is going to be a disaster, arrogant fools like you will ignore this writing on the wall.
-- a (a@a.a), June 29, 1999.
I am not a de-bunker. I posted there to make Diane "just shag me" Squire feel she was doing well at tracking me. Figure out that you can't yet, Queen Bitch?This place is a danger to society at large and needs to be exposed as the fucking "idiot central" that it is.
(want to delete my post because of language? Better take out Hardliners post to Decker on another thread as well then)
-- Super Troll (Fu_Q_y2kfreaks@hotmail.com), June 29, 1999.
Sub-par Troll: can't be done. Sorry. It's been tried...Have you had a chance to clean up your fingerprints at Biffy yet? I'll give ya 'til Friday.....
-- lisa (lisa@work.now), June 29, 1999.
"Sub-par Troll: can't be done. Sorry. It's been tried..."Lisa, what can't be done? Are you talking about individual posts being removed?
-- Gayla (privacy@please.com), June 29, 1999.
Gayle..... Sub-par Polly: "...needs to be exposed as the ..." (and, implicitly, shut down, after the board is "outed"/exposed)......Sub-par is behind on some medication, looks like...
-- lisa (lisa@work.now_and_I_REALLY_don't_get_paid_for_this), June 29, 1999.
Super Polly a.k.a Super Troll...Debunking Y2k webboard
I think Mutha was right about the swamp
Monday, 14-Jun-1999 03:27:52
http:// www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=mb237006&MyNum= 929345272&P=No&TL=929345272
206.55.157.107 writes:
They are making there move to start censorship in earnest. Is anyone else going to save old "prediction" threads to throw in there faces later? I think the new censors will just start deleting the ones that are to embarrassing or re-wording them to get the poster off the hook.
Super Polly
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Yes... you ARE a De Bunker. NO. You havent been censored here.
Get over the "censorship meme" you guys started.
Nuff said.
Diane
-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), June 29, 1999.
Lisa, poor baby. Rack your brain all you want. Fingerprints? now you are making less sense than usual (and THAT isn't saying much)Diane J"ust shag me" Squire- I had forgot how you hate anyone that posts to to other forums; hmmm using your logic that means Flint, nospam, lisa, and even a@a.a are De-Bunkers. They DID post to that "heretic" place, didn't they?
Of course Mutha pointed out how brain-dead you are to lisa, but no response from the "official memette" of de-bunky.
I realised how slanted you were after reading this. You are pretty clueless, my condolances.
I must really burn your ass knowing that you can't delete me on site!
-- Super Troll (Fu_Q_y2kfreaks@hotmail.com), June 29, 1999.
Super Puppet: little vicious? What are you projecting and why?Is this a war for you? Maybe we can set up a duplicate TB2000 forum and "let you win", if you need that kind of therapy... we're nice guys over here.....
-- lisa (lisa@work.now), June 29, 1999.
Buddy... appeals to Decker...It's useless
Tuesday, 29-Jun-1999 13:01:45
http:// www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=mb237006&MyNum= 930675705&P=Yes&TL=930674169
206.99.225.3 writes:
Decker,
I still lurk there because they seem to find the Y2K articles faster than any other site. Of course they interpret them differently, but that's another story. Otherwise, I'm not going to argue with them over there anymore. Why bother? You can't win. Maybe some lurkers are positively influenced by us pollies, but is it worth the trouble?
I noticed someone posted a quote from you over there where you asked for civility. You lost it a bit with Hardliner on that thread. I don't blame you. I had a similar experience when I first started posting there. My honest opinion and questions were immediately flamed with words like moron, DGI, DWGI, idiot, imbecile, etc. Then they turn around and whine when someone calls them a name. It ain't no big deal to me. Flames and name-calling have always been part of the internet scene. Sometimes it makes it more interesting. If you were talking live, you still would probably flame, just not so vehemently.
I also noticed in the discussion about the "TB2000 Moderators Forum" Diane mentioned that it existed because it is easier than having so many emails going between so many people. A quote from Diane:
"Just one of *many* Moderators trying to make this puppy work."
I saw another similar one on another thread, but can't find it right now. The point is, how many moderators does a forum need? Many? Why? That's ridiculous. Paul Davis is right. Having a forum to talk about moderating a forum is highly suspect. In my opinion, TB2000 is no longer a forum.
I agree with your stance on censorship. Even some of the doomers do. I don't believe any post should be censored. Period. Even al-d's.
I'm not posting there anymore. The thread where I was the subject was my last.
Buddy
-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), June 29, 1999.
Buddy,Someone just mentioned on this thread that al-ds shown up over on your forum.
Y2K Debunking site should be more aptly named Debunking Y2K forums
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id= 00115WGood luck. *Some* will be watching the De Bunker response... either that or hell have found home.
Diane
-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), June 29, 1999.