wow , i think the first thing that i will have to get used to is the smell of every waste treetment center in america overflowing , lots of fun

-- Ron (beatmewipme@takeawaymy.charge/card), June 17, 1999

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waste-disposal-tip' dump waste in 55 gal. metal drum-set on-fire. beats burying it all over property.by the way'don,t they use it as fertilizer in japan?? honey-buckets??

-- al-d. (catt@zianet.com), June 17, 1999.

It's also used to water the landscape on Air Force Academy grounds. I wouldn't park near the sprinklers.

-- Solid (stuff@goes.elsewhere), June 17, 1999.

Where does JQP get 55gal. metal drums? How much? 4 million gallons of doo doo..humm, how big a drum would it take for that?

-- Mike (midwestmike_@hotmail.com), June 17, 1999.

al-d,I don't think it's too smoking hot of a suggestion that people burn anything in a barrel,there'll probably be a lot of fires at the hands of idiots without encouraging them to play with there poop

-- zoobie (zoobiezoob@yahoo.com), June 17, 1999.

Howdy--

Been lurking for awhile and want to thank all for the discussions and information. Mildly embarassed to be contributing for the first time on this issue, but thought it was worth a mention. I seem to recall that Chinese peasants combine human and animal wastes with more traditional compost material in a domed structure, where it produces methane. The methane is used for light and cooking (not sure about the smell issue there...) and the resulting fermented mix is more effective as fertilizer.

Two questions:

Anybody else ever hear of this process;

And anyone know of any plans or schematics that might be useful for folks planning for the long haul (9-10+)? If so, a discussion of the possible pitfalls related to producing and using methane in this fashion might be real helpful. No use in getting someone gassed or blown up.

Maintaining such a process sounds like a pretty unpleasant job, but I rather imagine the future is full of unpleasant jobs. I would be interested in any feedback.

Again thanks for all the info over the last five months. I spend way to much time on this forum (that's a compliment).

William in Dallas

-- William Cheek (bcheek@onramp.net), June 17, 1999.

Y2K Test Causes Huge Sewage Spill

4 Million Gallons Seeped Into A Van Nuys Park

VAN NUYS, Calif., Posted 5:57 a.m. June 17, 1999 -- How do you know when a computer system has failed a Y2K test? When it caused 4 million gallons of raw sewage to spill into the streets.

CBS 2 News reports crews armed with vacuum trucks worked through the night to clean up the mess that seeped out of the Donald C. Tillman Water Reclamation plant.

The sewage started coming out of a utility hole near the plant on Woodley Avenue south of Victory Boulevard about midnight, plant manager Bob Birk told reporters.

The spill flowed about 500 feet onto Woodley Avenue and into a brushy area at Lake Balboa Park. According to CBS 2 News, the mess isn't expected to harm the vegetation, rather it will likely act as fertilizer.

The spill occurred when the plant was testing its Y2K contingency plan yesterday by mimicking various computer malfunctions. . . .

The error occurred when a computer closed a gate, blocking a major sewage line serving the western San Fernando Valley and causing the sewage to back up and overflow, a wire service reports.

"The computer didn't tell us it closed the gate," Birk said, adding the reason for the problem was not immediately clear. . . .

Link: http://www.cbs2.com/news/stories/news-990617-081237.htm...

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-- garygroupie (garyfan@garynorth.com), June 17, 1999.

Its over 2200 tons - how much over depending on the thickness of the slurry.

-- Paul Davis (davisp1953@yahoo.com), June 17, 1999.

You know, this has been the scariest and funniest last few days on the forum ever, IMO.

It's almost as if the universe has decided that homo sapiens sapiens will become aware of Y2K this week.

And it ain't a full moon, but we're all acting like it, anyway...

-- lisa (lisa@work.now), June 17, 1999.

The thread that started it all, thanks to Ready & Waiting!

Y2K Test Fails - 4 million gallons of sewage escapes

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-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (allaha@earthlink.net), June 17, 1999.

Now the metaphors become concrete. BTW, that's a great E-mail addie.

-- Spidey (in@jam.scum), June 17, 1999.

OK,... Y2K is crap.

-- Reporter (reporter_atlarge@hotmail.com), June 17, 1999.

And that's *JUST* the sewage end of it, folks......what about the chlorine and flouride and other additives that give us all our "drinkable" water? (I use the term drinkable very, very loosely). Do some of you people still intend to live off of fish?????

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), June 17, 1999.

lisa,

giddiness just before terror. pretty common.

-- Carlos (riffraff1@cybertime.net), June 17, 1999.

William, I don't know which issue (maybe Old Git Does) but Mother Earth News ran an article on methane digesters - years ago. Try your search engine

-- (rcarver@inacom.com), June 17, 1999.

William Cheek:

I can't see the majority of Americans willing to touch Scheisse, let alone recycle it. I've read that in Asia sometimes Scheisse is formed and dried to make building bricks. (Only read about it, not seen it)

Can you imagine post Y2K, the newlyweds Bronk and Twiggy, so happy to be together, with a fresh jug of water, a can of Spam, and looking forward to spending their honeymoon in their new dream Scheisse Haus, which Bronk spent three months building for his sweetie?

I can't. Wait, I just did. You know what I mean...

-- Randolph (dinosaur@williams-net.com), June 17, 1999.