URL for low-tech sustainable ideas is up

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This website is an experiment in global collaboration thru the internet to mine the ingeniousness of humanity. To make neighborhoods globally self-sustainable before 2000. Not only as the most responsible and intelligent answer to Y2K and any and all future possible disasters, but to lay the groundwork for a non-polluting, non-toxic, mutually co-operative network of self-sustainable, non-sovereign/inclusive communities throughout the world.

We are hoping that those who "pass through the bagelhole" will come out self-sustainable as well as their communities before 2000. We are hoping that individuals that have ideas to give will give and those who need to learn will take.

Volunteers (which we all are) are needed to cull the links we have, check the ideas,constantly honing and improving the current list.Internet access is all that is necessary.

We are also hoping that great new ideas for sustainable projects will be born, fostered, and designed here to be implemented there (wherever you are). That is what the projects section is for.

Hope you enjoy and leave with some sense of fulfillment and realize that the human family does not have to be dysfunctional but thru our common interconnectedness can create a world with which we can, in all humility, be proud of.

They say," When the entire Universe passes thru the bagelhole, that's when the Transformation will begin." I believe that time is now.


Tom O (bagelhole1)

One idea, that needs "partnering" is synergistic, solar-passive, self-sustainable greenhouses around but not necessarily 10,000 sq.ft.

This type of green house can be modeled off of Anna Eddy's greenhouse in Cape Cod. Or in warmer areas like the Bay Area, just simple, low-cost greenhouses.

The vegetables would be grown using a method developed by P. Ziegler called "aeroponics" a simple system growing organics vertically, with looped nutrient tubing. The best method for growing as far as efficiency and economy.

Both of these methods have been tried and proven and are available. Brownfields or unutilized land or roofs can be used. Nat'l. Guard or other agencies possibly could be used to construct to save money if cities or gov't. is partnered in also.

All this could be done anywhere and everywhere. But it must be done pretty soon, if there is to be winter harvests. Which is the purpose, to serve as substantive contingency for cities, should food production methods breakdown. If nothing happens, its still a good thing for communities to have. The maintenance after construction is minimal compared to the value of the yield.

Kind Regards,
Tom Osher(bagelhole1)

Tax id 94-3111898

-- Tom Osher (bagelhole1@aol.com), April 25, 1999



Congratulations on your site! Nobody I know in this mess has worked harder and stuck to one solid, "simple," practical idea longer than you have. You haven't wavered since your very first message about it what seems like years ago (December 1, 1998). I have to laugh now to think about how it was starting to drive me crazy, as the same message kept coming in from a bunch of different places for what seemed like a month. Talk about "singleness of purpose"! Again: Congratulations. (And now you know how and why a lot of web sites get created by people who never imagined they'd ever even beging to try to put one together.)

I looked at the site the other day and there's great stuff there (check the simple, inexpensive, waterproof fire starter directions in the food/cooking category - I think - or anything else you see that interests you). Looks like you've got some good people helping out. Hope more and more people discover your site, make a bookmark, re- visit, add to it, and volunteer lend a hand...

For those who follow this forum by email only, once again, the url is:


Check it out, see if there's a little bit you can do to help, and TELL YOUR FRIENDS to visit the Bagelhole and maybe help try to fill it in...


-- Bill (billdale@lakesnet.net), April 27, 1999.

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