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has anyone else prioritized firearms?I've got my essentials-years worth of food for family,anti diahrea,anti-biotics,pain meds,water filters...the y2k usual...but I bought my guns and ammo first...that crap about americans pulling together is as ludicrous as our one party government/owners posing as a two party system(Clinton's a shill,get over him,and who cares who he screws anyway),Americans reveal their ugly nature all to readily...arm yourself while you can

-- dangerouswhencornered (touchyfeely@hippydippy.com), April 19, 1999

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[hmm, hard to tell if this one is a troll or just somebody having a bad monday morning.]

dwc - if you're not just trolling, try looking through the archives, you'll find a number of firearms related discussion threads.

Arlin

-- Arlin H. Adams (ahadams@ix.netcom.com), April 19, 1999.


"..the y2k usual...but I bought my guns and ammo first..."

I bought guns & ammo first, too, but only to get that part over with as quickly as possible. Hate them. Hate them. Hate them. But, alas, gotta have them.

-- Really (really@hates.them), April 19, 1999.


I really hate them too but I'm thinking about buying one. Is there an alternative...crossbow,etc. If not, what is recommended?

-- (rick@ina.com), April 19, 1999.

Hi Rick,

quite frankly it depends on what you're planning on using the firearm for, you know?

you might try going through the archives and looking at the survivalist and firearms related threads - there is some glop in there, but a fair amount of good info as well, and it will give you a leg up on the discussion...

Arlin

-- Arlin H. Adams (ahadams@ix.netcom.com), April 19, 1999.


Reprioritized. I gave and sold the two guns I had a few years ago.

But as I thought about it, just what WOULD a person do if confronted in any situation where being nice doesn't work? Throw canned food?

So now have 2 shotguns --- maybe a rifle by fall.

Also noted a recent news item about 3 RABID skunks and 1 dog in NE (?) city. This is no joke, how else would you get rid of such pests. In the rural area where I live, its not far-fetched at all to need to get rid of rabid or just stray/troublesome beasts (pack sof wild dogs aren't terribly rare now - what if theres no pet food?).

There are many reasons to at least have arms available to use.

-- John Smith (ASecretThisTime@Fed.Pent), April 19, 1999.



The following was just posted on Hyatts site. Go ther for better formatting and pictures. (michaelhyatt.com) (click on "whats new").

The five most common uses for a firearm in a crisis situation are:

defending the home

defending oneself away from home

hunting small game (squirrels and rabbits) and birds (duck, dove, pheasant, etc.)

hunting deer

defending the neighborhood or town (in cooperation with neighbors)

The four weapons listed below, when taken as a group, will perform well in all of these situations. The thing to do is to buy the first item on the list, then the second, etc. If you can buy all four, great! If not, then just stop when you have used up your budget. Obviously the more arms and ammunition you buy, the better. But even if you have just one shotgun with ammunition and you know how to use it, you will have a good chance of eating duck rather than becoming a sitting duck!

Number One: A Shotgun

The shotgun is the most versatile firearm you can own. It can be used to hunt birds, squirrels, rabbits, and deer. It is also a powerful and intimidating self-defense weapon. If you have only $100 to spend, buy a single-shot shotgun, perhaps a New England Arms "Pardner" model, which is available at Wal-Mart for $79. It should work flawlessly forever. With it, pick up one of those black elastic bands that goes around the stock to hold five more shells. If your budget is at least $250, buy a pump-action shotgun. Remington, Mossberg, Winchester, and others offer basic models costing from $200 to $225. Whatever shotgun you choose, I recommend the 20 guage, which delivers plenty of power without the painful "kick" of the 12 guage.

Description

Single-Shot

Pump-Action

Price of gun

$ 80

225

100/200 rounds birdshot

$15

$30

5/25 rounds of deer slugs

$5

$25

Total price

$100

$280

Number Two: A Revolver

The .38 Special caliber police-style revolver is one of the most common, simple, and inexpensive handguns. Most are of very high quality, and will likely last longer than you will. This is your gun of choice if you will NOT be carrying a gun outside the home. Choose one with the standard 4" barrel. Brands to trust are Colt, Ruger, and Taurus, which all make similar models. Keep this gun by your bed at night and close at hand whenever you are at home. If you DO plan to legally carry a gun outside the home, you must choose a COMPACT revolver. The least expensive high-quality compact revolver is the Taurus Model 85 with 2" barrel. It is very popular, and usually available at most any gun shop or pawn shop. The price is normally about $200 whether new or used.

Description

Price

New Taurus or used S&W or Colt

$200

100 rounds of cheap ammo (for practice)

$20

50 rounds of hollow point ammo

$15

Total price

$235

Number Three: A .22 Rifle

The least expensive ammunition you can buy is the .22LR (long rifle) round. It sells for about $10 per 500 rounds. It is also the easiest round to shoot, as there is no recoil or loud blast. The rifles made for this cartridge are also inexpensive. The little cartridge can be very accurate, however, out to ranges of about 100 yards/ meters. There are too many models to list. Just choose one that you like, buy 1000 bullets for it, and practice. If you buy an el-cheapo scope for it for $20, you may find you can successfully hit very small targets. This rifle will be perfect for hunting squirrels and rabbits and for fending off unwelcome dogs. As a self- defense arm, it would only be used if nothing else were available.

Description

Price

New or used rifle

$100

1000 rounds of cheap ammo (for practice)

$20

50 rounds of CCI "stinger" ammo (in case you ever have to use the rifle for self-defense)

$5

50 rounds of CCI "shot shells" ammo (these are like tiny little shotgun shells, for chasing off unwanted cats for dogs))

$5

Total price

$130

Number Four: A High-powered Rifle

An excellent choice is the Enfield rifle. It was made, with periodic upgrades, from the beginning of the century all the way up to the 1960s for use by Great Britain and her allies. There were two calibers made, ".303 British" and ".308 NATO." Both are excellent calibers for North American game hunting and, heaven forbid, long-range tactical shooting. It holds 1012 rounds and reloads by "bolt-action." It is simple to operate, inherently accurate, and very durable. A similar rifle is the Springfield 1903 in 30.06 caliber (pronounced "thirty-ought-six"), which was carried by the famous Sergant York in World War I. Either rifle will perform similarly and cost about the same. They are outdated now for first-line military use, but are still excellent weapons for both hunting and defense.

Description

Price

Used rifle from gun or pawn shop

$80

40 rounds of cheap ammo (for practice)

$20

100 rounds of ammo for hunting and possile neighborhood/area defense

$50

Total price

$150

Once you have bought whatever you are going to buy, please go AT LEAST one time to the gun range for a practice session. The entrance fee will be between $5 and $10. If you tell them you are a total novice, you might even get a free, informal lesson to boot

-- Jon Johnson (narnia4@usa.net), April 19, 1999.


why a crossbow?is it because you hate guns so much that you can't stand to touch them?if so don't buy a gun;a bad man will take it from you and hurt you and yours.if you think you could defend yourself or your loved ones from someone intent opon hurting you buy a shotgun,much cheaper than a crossbow,more effective,requires MUCH less skill and is very intimadating(handguns require A LOT of skill) talk to a gun dealer,200$ should buy a decent shotgun,oterwise plan on using good intentions and harsh language with looters,rapists,killers...hey it works with the Amish and they don't even use harsh language...and I wonder how the Amish will do they seem super prepaired for y2k...ecept for that silly looter/rapist/killer thing...it's a wierd world

-- zoobie (zoob@aol.com), April 19, 1999.

I'll have guns, but a crossbow would be great for silent hunting.

-- Shimrod (shimrod@lycosmail.com), April 19, 1999.

Yes, Had to priortize guns and ammo as one of the first purchases because of the way the laws are changing and they may not be available or reasonably priced if you wait too long.

-- y2klady2 (shotgun@gun.com), April 19, 1999.

I would add one consideration to all of the above. How should children and elders defend themselves? During Y2K my girls will wear a small money belt or fanny pack at all times with a small can of "bear" spray (pepper spray) inside, most of you veterans knew them as "butt" packs in the military. They are capable of stopping a grizzley dead in its tracks, and sending it fleeing in the opposite direction. Train them in its proper use. Practice, Practice, Practice, so it is second nature. It is extremely effective and won't harm them if they catch some of the spray. Teach them not to shoot into the wind, what range is most effective, and what to do if you do get some in your eyes. It is an excellent choice for those unfamiliar with guns, or squemish about using one. The stun guns utilizing high voltage are also quite effective but come with some risks. I would not put these in the hands of kids, but my wife will carry one as a back-up.

-- (snowleopard6@webtv.net), April 19, 1999.


I keep wondering what if....you all run out of ammo ??

A thought ? Learn new skills in your spare time..bow making & archery.silent hunting & renewable weaponry.

-- Chris (griffen@globalnet.co.uk), April 20, 1999.


Johnson's suggested acquisition plan is backwards. Always, ALWAYS, "rifle first." Not a .22, either, and not a bolt-action. A semi-auto .223 should be the very FIRST weapon you should acquire, followed by a pistol if you think you'll need to carry a weapon discreetly. Forget it if you think you'll a shotgun to go hunting, because the woods and fields will have been hunted out in a few months at best. You'll need range, and lots of it, to keep marauders at bay, or put them in the ground. A .308 is better than a .223, but not everyone can be proficient with one due to recoil. If you spend a grand on a pair of Mini-14's in .223 and a couple thousand rounds of ammo, your 10-year old or his grandmother will be able to shoot them well with a little practice. Get a large-bore bolt action rifle like a .338 or a .375, and practice with it. Once you become proficient, you'll be able to "reach out and touch someone" at a thousand yards or more. The more distance, the better. Shotguns are for up-close-and-personal events, and you stgansd a good chance of getting killed yourself at close range. Tip the odds in your favor, and get a rifle FIRST.

-- kap (get@rifle.now), April 20, 1999.

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