anyone else planning a "head for the hills"bugout as only financial option??

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Hey,there,fellow marginalized-we'll-see-who's-laughing-when-the-pollyannas/y2kpros-are-cold-and-hungry-nutbags(whoo-hoo!) ...I live in wisconsin,married-no-kids,and quite poor(student).My financial status will not allow me to move to a warm climate with a low population/division of labor.Still,being a self-proclaimed y2k nut(G.N.scale 7-10)I know I don't want to be in frozen WI when governor-for-life Tommy Tompson has already put the entire(wisconsin) nat'l guard on alert...it's cold in wisconsin and the polyanna/y2kpro sheeple will clamor for martial law when they get cold(milwaukee already openly plans to use public schools as shelters)....since my wife and I are the only doomsters we know we've to take a moderate(for us)approach and vacation(bugout)in a national forest.If it's a bump in the road we'll camp and come home.if it's teotwawki,it seems a better option to be in a million acre-plus national forest with only deep woods campers and other prepaired(non-desparate) people in the wilderness.As ex-infantry I'm not concerned about an extended forrest stay as much as I am concerned thatthe hoards of christ-will-provide-that-means-you-will-provide-pollyanna-christians will demand house to house relocations/food redistributions/gun confiscations.If it is a Gary North scenario...it seems dat da hills will be a great place to be while the polyannas are dying of disentery...any input would be great...

-- Zoobie (zoob@aol.com), April 18, 1999

Answers

Zoobie ... Met guy at next table at Soldier of Fortune gun show who had fortress prepared and mined in Ozarks (92 !). Said he had a bunch of good 'ol boys that were there with him. Could hold out forever. Then I asked him what he intended to do "after it was over ?" Huh ?? I said, " You have no women, so you'll die out !" Same for you, in a sense. Who will watch when you can't? Who will protect your wife when you go hunting ? Where will your new set of boots come from when the old ones wear out ? Got seeds and tools to farm ? Can you deliver your wife's baby, cause you ran out of contracetives ? How do you stash 6 months worth of food in a forest without someone else seeing/finding out ? I would GO OUT OF MY WAY TO MAKE ONE GOOD, NEARBY FAMILY MY FRIEND; preferably a farmer !!! Got GI relations ? Bring them in on the deal, if you have the room ; pool your resources, experience, etc. . ABOVE ALL, remember the old saying, "NO MAN IS AN ISLAND UNTO HIMSELF ". Wishing you the best, in any case. Eagle

-- A Nesting Eagle (A666Eagle@CT Hills.com), April 18, 1999.

Zoobie, one good thing about living in a colder climate, as long as the beggars/refugees are able to drive or hoof it, they will head to where there is warmer weather. That means fewer desperados up north and more down south. I know very few GI types around where I live (East Coast). My minister at church is DWGI, so there's not much help there. I am glad for all of my GI cyber friends. Am doubly glad for my real-time GI friends. We are discussing banding together. No decisions yet, but we're working on it. Keep your eyes and ears open to find some GI people near you that you and your wife might team up with.

-- Wallflower (y2kwallflr@aol.com), April 18, 1999.

Task of finding like-minded people will be easier after Y2K. (BTW, I expect months of increasing breakdown, not all at once on 2000-01-01).

A lot of unprepared will be dead. A lot of people will be locked into the cities by the police/national guard. So there will less people you'll have to "sift" and they will tend to be the better prepared -- or better predators.

-- A (A@AisA.com), April 18, 1999.


Hey Zoobie,

as a disabled vet, a graduate of UW-Mad City (graduated on the GI Bill in '82) and a former longtime Wisconsin resident, my advice would be to act NOW and find a small community up in the northern part of the state (but AWAY from the tourist areas in Door county); or alternatively a small community in the UP...yeah it's not Wisconsin, but you could hang with the yoopers for a while - it wouldn't be so bad. Anyway, get there NOW like no later than this summer - see if you can find an internship related to your college work and/or find a job but get there and be at least one full tank of gas from both Milwaukee and all of those socialists in Mad City. Work with your local community - even if they are y2k-impaired give them the info they need to make sure that the water and sewer systems will be working after 01/01/00, and then just sit back and organize a few folks to help each other in case things get too wierd...

first off you wont get many refugees that far from the urban areas, and secondly the state will most likely just leave you alone, since they'll have too many other problems on their hands. Now the flip side of that is that you and your wife will have to be pretty thoroughly prepared, and you're going to have to push to make certain at least some of your neighbors are prepared as well...but you can do that - remember all that leadership stuff they taught you in the army? - use it!

make sense?

Arlin

-- Arlin H. Adams (ahadams@ix.netcom.com), April 18, 1999.


Hey Zoobie, What part of Wisconsin are you in and what skills and preparations do you have? I to live in Wisconsin and am surrounded by DGI. If you are near my area we could possibly get together for a New Years Party

-- A Fellow GI Cheesehead (cheesehead@green+gold.com), April 19, 1999.


There are alot of famres in the midwest who are older with no one to help them since the younger generation has split for the jobs in town. Possibly go one as a hired hand, you and your wife. There will be food and hard work as well as a sense of family.

-- David (C.D@I.N), April 20, 1999.

Zoobie,

It has been some time since you posted this message, but I thought to check back and find out if you had figured out an affordable bug out plan for you and your wife. Let me know how I can help and keep in touch!

Sincerely, Stan Faryna

-- Stan Faryna (info@giglobal.com), May 07, 1999.


we still haven't made up our minds,with madison being the government centre and the WI national guard headquarters we want to leave WI(in cold climates,I fear people will cry out for martial law)but where to go taking firearms in parks is a no-no and I didn't spend all those bucks just to have them confiscated(or shot by some whacko).yet staying in the cold with a wood burning stove seems like an invitation for anyone who's cold to see me as a survival shelter,and I'm not the red cross(I wish I could afford those cool freeze dried meals)so I'm still researching,and stockpiling white gas..

-- zoobie (zoobiezoob@yahoo.com), May 07, 1999.

Nesting Eagle,

Yours sounds like a pretty good plan. To be quite honest with you, we are the farmers that people should be surching out. We live on a med size farm (plenty of livestock, non-hybred grain, horse plows and tractor plows, wood heat, solar power, etc....) So far I have opened up our home to our family , extended family, and yes even people from our church. This is the catch.... We will share food, heat, safty....you will help us prepare. Sounded like a fare deal to me. I only asked to have help with our overly abundent garden, splitting wood, etc.... No "Little Red Hen" storys here.

Only one of my sisters is taking us up on our offer. She and her husband have been great, very hard workers.

Dont get me wrong this offer is in our best intrest too. The more like minded people we have here to pull together the better, more people to help in the garden, help stock the wood stove, and shifts guarding the farm. We are not opening this offer up to everyone, I just wish people would wake up and see this as a real possability that life might not just keep getting better. Just because in our lifetime, and in this country life has been pretty good, that is not a written garentee that we will never have a hard year or two. The future is not promised.

Bulldog

-- bulldog (sniffin@around.com), May 30, 1999.


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