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"4/16/1999 - Y2KNEWSWIRE declares Y2K compliance claims to be the greatest cover-up in modern history / this essay stays posted for one week

Y2KNEWSWIRE DECLARES Y2K COMPLIANCE CLAIMS TO BE THE GREATEST COVER- UP IN MODERN HISTORY / THIS ESSAY STAYS POSTED FOR ONE WEEK

The game is up. This is the last Y2KNEWSWIRE.COM issue for a week. Why? Spurred on by our loyal readers, we've covered Y2K for nine months. We've countered the bogus arguments against preparedness, we've challenged the exaggerated claims of compliance, and we've stood up for the rights of Americans to get prepared. We petitioned the Senate to help save the banks, we issued four public safety alerts in an attempt to help reduce injuries and death associated with Y2K, and we've raised thousands of dollars to help the Disabled American Veterans get prepared for Y2K.

But the lies of compliance are starting to sound like a broken record. It's fast becoming redundant to inform you that your government is once again telling you a lie. And today, we came across an item that crosses the line from debate to insanity. A bank in Texas, Pacific Southwest Bank, has issued a brochure that outright claims preparedness information is a "scheme" perpetrated by con artists. That's right. In a brochure entitled, "Year 2000, Keeping your money safe from Year 2000 fraud," the bank lists four items under the heading, "Common schemes con artists use to swindle money." One of those items is, "Selling books or subscriptions to magazines that supposedly contain information on 'surviving' the 'crisis.'"

The bank is the Pacific Southwest Bank in Corpus Christi, Texas. http://pacificsouthwestbank2.com

This demonstrates our point: insanity is now rampant. Consider this: the same information that California urgently distributes to citizens for earthquake preparedness has now been called a scheme by this bank. You can bet the other banks aren't far behind. This bank, by the way, is apparently not yet Y2K-compliant. Their web site doesn't mention Y2K compliance at all. And their brochure only contains this tidbit: "...our Year 2000 planning is well underway... we are taking rigorous steps to address any problems and test our systems long before the new century arrives."

Another vague Y2K statement, piled on top of a fast-growing mountain of generalities. What does it say, really? Clearly, it indicates they aren't done with even the planning stage. They also aren't done with system testing. Remember, it is this apparently non-compliant bank that's urging you to not withdraw your cash.

But the main point here is much larger than that. Just as this bank brochure is calling preparedness information fraudulent, we the People have allowed our government officials and banking industry officials to stand firmly behind a wall of insanity and call it the truth. The people of this country have stood behind so many lies for so long that they've forgotten what truth really means. Truth is spin, truth is CNN, they think. Truth is whatever the President says. Or, worse yet, truth doesn't matter. Forget values, morality and logic. Abandon critical thinking skills, writing and mathematics. Teach emotional reaction, relative morality and relative truth. That's where we are in this country, and it is perhaps the scariest part of the problem now surrounding the Y2K issue.

WE'VE UNCOVERED ONE LIE AFTER, AND IT DOES MATTER

Y2KNEWSWIRE.COM has described a multitude of cover-ups. We've shown how the Dept. of Defense lied about their compliance claims -- twice. We've shown how the Koskinen Miracle -- the near-instant compliance, testing and implementation of 92% of the federal government's critical systems -- is a factual impossibility. We've exposed the linguistic trickery of the Y2K "no big deal" crowd by compiling and publicizing the entire list of vague compliance statements.

Time and time again, it's the same thing: somebody says they made it, the press reports it, the public swallows it. We show it to be false, and only our regular readers -- and others frequenting the few truth- based Y2K Internet sites -- really get it. The rest of the public -- and especially those who aren't on the Internet -- are buying into the good news, oblivious to the truth. They're being herded into the greatest cover-up in the history of modern civilization; a cover-up where some unfortunate people are going to die. Make no mistake, Y2K will take some people with it. ...just from the failure of hospital gear, if nothing else. Anybody who says Y2K won't kill anybody is identifying themselves as disconnected from reality. Y2K will claims some lives. Count on it. Just one city's traffic lights system failure alone will probably result in multiple automobile fatalities.

The denial of reality is pervasive, and so is the continuing cover- up. Just this week, Gene Dodaro, assistant comptroller general for the GAO, explains how HCFA (which administers Medicare) exaggerated compliance: "For example...none of HCFA's [the Health Care and Financing Administration, which administers Medicare and Medicaid] 54 external mission-critical systems reported by the Department of Health and Human Services as compliant as of December 31, 1998, were Year 2000 ready, based on serious qualifications identified by the independent verification and validation contractor."

Got that? Zero systems compliant. Yet all 54 were claimed as being so. This is just one example. You can bet it's widespread. We estimate that perhaps only one federal agency is actually compliant at this time, and that's an optimistic estimate. When reality strikes, the spin is going to collapse, revealing an historic web of lies, deceit, public spin and the protection of a so-called "good economy."

GAME OVER

We have decided that it's time to call the game. Time's up. If you're reading this, and you're convinced the cover-up is real, you've conquered the spin. You're a rare beacon of awareness in an ocean of hype. But you're surrounded by ignorant people, as you probably already noticed. These are people who are capable of understanding, but who refuse to even attempt it. They are the same people who excuse politicians for lying and who are still knee-deep in the long side of the stock market. These are the people who believe mainstream news without question. If it's on CNN, it must be true. If NATO says it, it must be real. ("We bombed a convoy of innocent civilians, but it was the Serb's fault. They put them there.") C'mon folks! These people have sold their souls in exchange for a bottom line profit. "Lie to me," they say, "But don't crash the stock market. My retirement's in there." They'll accept anything and everything -- including insanity -- as long as it doesn't rock the boat.

Unfortunately, these people are going to pay the heaviest price, in both personal and financial terms, when Y2K hits. Y2KNEWSWIRE.COM is still predicting a massive economic strike, coupled with damaging disruptions in all the major infrastructure. Banks are going to have glitches, the power industry is going to have glitches, and telecommunications will certainly have some, too. We're not predicting an outright collapse of any of these, but rather a series of severe disruptions that are going to noticeably harm this economy and drive unemployment to numbers we haven't seen for decades. Global Y2K failures will hammer earnings of U.S. companies, and by the Summer of 2000, our own stock market will have dropped sharply. It might even come back down to sane levels. (Face it, anybody paying 200 times earnings for a high-flying Internet company that doesn't expect to turn a profit next year is not thinking rationally. This is a bandwagon game, and the game is just about up. The populace has been conned on a grand scale... yet again.)

We're also predicting at least one major terrorist event in the United States. Terrorists, we think, will take advantage of Y2K to launch their attacks. They want revenge on the United States -- a country now seen as an out-of-control bully by the independent nations of the world. And even with the FBI now stating that the possibility of terrorism is high, the government once again encourages no preparedness. There's not even the mention of free gas masks. Israel, by the way, purchased and distributed gas masks to its citizens during the Gulf War. See: http://www.foxnews.com/js_index.sml?content=/news/wires2/0415/n_ap_041 5_141.sml

THIS TOPS THE LIST OF INSANE HISTORICAL COVER-UPS

At some point in the future, this entire Y2K episode will be called the greatest single demonstration of insanity by a so-called advanced civilization. Not insanity on the alarmist side, mind you, but on the cover-up side. Historians will ask how an intelligent society could have so completely covered up such an important issue while ridiculing common sense personal contingency advice. They will wonder how the denial was so widespread in much the same way history books now peer in awe at the fact that so many German citizens in the late 1930's were swept into the Nazi movement to support a genocidal maniac.

And yes, the comparison is valid. The Y2K cover-up will be the most significant event of this decade, just as World War II was the most significant event of the 1940's. Hitler's regime, in fact, was based on a clever combination of media manipulation, staged events and public spin. Sound familiar? It should. He possessed super-human skills of rhetoric and persuasion. He convinced nearly the entire civilian population to stand by and do nothing while the military exterminated tens of millions of victims in a diabolical quest for power. And now, the United States public is being told to do nothing, too, while the greatest technological disaster in recent history inches closer by the day. Don't prepare and don't worry. We've got you covered. Or perhaps a better phrase is: we've got you covered-UP. It is clearly the worst parts of history being replayed here. Populations make the same mistakes over and over, especially when they're blinded by stock market greed.

That's the danger of a cover-up. When the media goes along with the lies of politicians and refuses to ask hard questions, it propagates a dangerous fiction. That fiction, given the right circumstances, can have a terrible impact on the lives of billions of people. And we're facing precisely the same thing right now. The fight for truth concerning Y2K is, indeed, an information war. And right now, the bad guys are winning. They've urged you not to prepare and now they're labeling preparedness information "fraudulent." Anybody who offers to sell you preparedness information is a con artist, they say. The press, caught sleeping at the news desk yet again, has almost universally refused to ask for even a shred of proof of compliance. They've reprinted the positive-spin press releases of organizations like NERC without asking a single tough question, such as, "How many times did you privately practice this drill before the public demonstration?" Or, "Would you submit to a surprise drill?"

BLAME THE PEOPLE

Meanwhile, the argument that the public is at fault here continues. It's beyond comprehension, really. And full of holes. Remember, contained in the argument that enough people simply preparing for a disaster can crash the banks and ruin the economy is the admission that our entire system really isn't that strong after all. Think about it. If 10% of the people taking out a modest supply of cash can crash the banks, was the system all that strong to begin with? As Gary North once put it during an interview with Art Bell, "If two old geysers on a late night talk radio can crash the banking system, how good of a system was it to begin with?"

Bank officials are telling you that nothing can harm your account. It's 100% safe, fully insured, rock-solid. But then they blame Y2K alarmists for potentially contributing to a collapse of the banks. Well which is it? Are banks rock-solid or are they teetering on the verge of the fractional reserve banking cliff, ready to topple with the slightest movement of cash?

TRUST US, WE'RE COMPLIANT

You're also being instructed to believe in the myth of compliance. Compliance can't be seen directly, of course. People simply appear out of the back room and say, "We made it! Trust us!" Usually, there's no proof offered, and the programmers are still on the staff, by the way. Can you trust these claims?

Stop laughing. You know the answer. Of course you can't. It's like asking Saddam Hussein if he stopped his bioweapons research program. If you don't verify it, you can't believe the answer you get. This is the administration of deceit, after all. This is an administration that spins the meaning of the word "is." If you're still holding out for the truth on Y2K, you're going to be disappointed. You'll never get it from anybody in an official position. Each one has a job to do, and part of that job is minimizing any negative Y2K news.

If you can't see the truth by now, you'll never see it. But if you recognize it now, if you understand what's actually being done here and how it's being accomplished, you know we're in a lot deeper trouble than we're being led to believe. Yes, Y2K is worse than you're being told. It's so bad, in fact, that the only "solution" is a cover-up. It's like the movie, "Armageddon." When NASA learns the asteroid is heading for the planet, they don't go public with it. Why bother? If it hits, everybody is dead anyway.

Y2K isn't as bad as an asteroid the size of Texas, of course, but the strategy is the same: why tell people? ...it's going to be horrendous anyway. Washington officials probably believe, in their heart, they're preventing panic. They think that depriving the public of the truth about Y2K is the only way to prevent the breakdown of social order. They're wrong, of course. People can responsibly handle moderately bad news if it's offered far enough in advance. They can prepare to live for a month or two on their own supplies of food and water. That is, if they're given the chance to learn the truth.

But they're not being given that chance... and they won't be. We consider this cover-up to be a crime against humanity. It will impact -- and harm -- the lives of hundreds of millions of people across the planet. This is a premeditated cover-up, and we're asking you, reading this today, to print this out and keep a physical copy for your records. There will be a Congressional investigation when all this is over, they will want to find out who covered this up. And we want this essay to be on the public record. This is only April. We have plenty of time to actually help people if the cover-up is immediately halted. We can save lives here, and we can save the public trust. We have written Koskinen directly -- last December -- and asked him to stop the cover-up. We received no reply.

THE MOMENT OF TRUTH HAS ARRIVED

So this is it. The moment of truth for you personally. Have you been convinced to do nothing by officials of the most dishonest administration in United States history? Have you been scared by bank officials who suggest the odds of you getting robbed by individual criminals is greater than the odds of being robbed by a 1%-based fractional-reserve banking system?

Or have you actually opened your eyes? Can you see behind the spin... Can you understand the motivations behind the attack on the preparedness industry? Can you see why this government absolutely, positively must maintain a good-news face in order to continue propping the stock market to higher and higher levels of irrationality?

See, Y2K isn't only about computers. It's about political power. It's about a good economy, a bottom-line profit in the banking industry, the next election. It's about everything except saving your life. That part is up to you.

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WE'RE NOT THE ONLY ONES FED UP WITH THE DECEPTION

Read David Eddy's recent essay on the Westergaard site. He seems just as flabbergasted as we are:

http://y2ktimebomb.com/Techcorner/DE/de9915.htm

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We leave you with the sign-off message from Larry Sangers, one of the Internet's well-known Y2K commentators. He's leaving the industry. Here's what he has to say (our bolding):

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I can make a few little comments about news reporting, however. First, I am extremely disappointed at the obvious Y2K information cover-up that's been going on. This is one (but only one) reason why my stint as Y2K news summarizer has generally lowered my already none- too-stellar estimate of the honesty of most people. (Along these lines, I recommend David O'Daniel Eddy's column, linked below.) Second, unlike some others, events of recent months have not made me more optimistic than I was when I first began summarizing the news. The main reason for this is that it's just obvious that we aren't being told the full story. To some extent this is not the fault of reporters; no doubt organization talking heads are making the job of investigating the actual, hard, detailed facts about the Y2K status of different governments, companies, industries, etc., very difficult. But to some extent, no doubt it is their fault, or the fault of their editors (I am sure that some news organizations, such as Ziff-Davis, have an editorial policy against much "bad news").

Obviously I could say more, but I'll just leave it at that.

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BUT Y2KNEWSWIRE.COM WILL RIDE THIS THING THROUGH

Larry Sanger may be leaving, but we're sticking with it. Come back on Monday, March 26, 1999, when Y2KNEWSWIRE picks up again where we left off. We'll be back, and we're going to continue exposing the Y2K cover-up all the way to -- and beyond -- 1/1/2000. After all, the cover-up will be in full force when the disruptions actually start occurring. Koskinen will have the most difficult spin job in history: convincing you the lights are on when they're actually off (so to speak). Watch for every excuse under the sun when systems start to go haywire.

"The dog ate my computer."

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-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), April 16, 1999.

As Gomer Pile used to say....

Surprise! Surprise! Surprise!

Those of us that have prepared get to see the disaster with perspective, the rest of the world will have to live it.

-- LM (latemarch@usa.net), April 16, 1999.

This is a mind-blowing article.

Passionate, from the heart and oh so true.

Whoever wrote this must be my spiritual doppelganger as I've been saying nearly everything expounded in this piece for some time on this forum.

Bravo y2knewswire for having the guts to put yourselves on the line!!! Time IS running out for us all, if the code can't be fixed in time (and it can't) then contingencies should be the top priority now.

Ain't gonna happen is it folks...

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), April 16, 1999.

Speaking of lies and coverups..

Is this the same Y2knewswire that apparently writes anonymous articles, quoting themselves as sources, and fabricating quotes from others?

Is this the same Y2knewswire that then issues supposedly independant confirmations of stories they, in fact, wrote in the first place?

Enquiring minds want to know...

-- Hoffmeister (hoff_meister@my-dejanews.com), April 16, 1999.

The author of that article for Y2K Newswire is hysterical. It is articles like this that cause DGI's to laugh at GI's.

-- Distancing (myself@from.this), April 16, 1999.

Andy,

Thanks for this eye opening post.

The true TRAGEDY resides in the fact that if the leadership of our country had instituted an awareness program two years ago we would have been much further along on the remediation path. We also would have had a population that was much better prepared for considerably less problems.

This Administration, corporations and businesses all basically took the same approach, DENIAL and LIES.

Now we have folks on this forum that take up valuable time continuing the BIG LIE. These folks will disappear rapidly as the TRUTH is known in the weeks ahead, but their effects will be felt by those who read this forum and believed them. They will be the victims of the BIG LIE.

Again Andy, many thanks for your tremendous efforts in bringing the TRUTH to this forum. WORDS do COUNT.

Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), April 16, 1999.

"Is this the same Y2knewswire that apparently writes anonymous articles, quoting themselves as sources, and fabricating quotes from others?

Is this the same Y2knewswire that then issues supposedly independant confirmations of stories they, in fact, wrote in the first place?"

Remember the 25 rules of disinformation Hoff?

Nice try.

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), April 16, 1999.

I have been dying to ask this for a long time - have they ever posted a compliance statement THEY would accept themselves? Is their website compliant? Their servers? Their OS? How about their CSU/DSU or whatever they use to hook to the Internet?

ROFLMAO in TN.

-- Paul Davis (davisp1953@yahoo.com), April 16, 1999.

Seriously Andy; you too Ray.

You both seem to buy into the fact the we can't trust statements made by the government or businesses, because they've been caught "lying".

Now, I've spent some time researching and defending some specific cases brought forward, but I'm not naive, and I watch for the spin and look for what can be verified. So should everyone.

But how can you blatantly disregard the same evidence when presented about sources you consider reliable, bastions of truth? Especially when it doesn't involve just "spin", or misinterpreted comments, but out and out fabrications?

I'm being completely serious here. How do you reconcile this in your mind?

-- Hoffmeister (hoff_meister@my-dejanews.com), April 16, 1999.

And was it just me, or did he seem offended by the Texas bank warning of frauds out to make a buck?

-- Paul Davis (davisp1953@yahoo.com), April 16, 1999.

Paul,

25 rules of disinformation.

Ignore the thrust of the piece - attack a PC server.

Quite pathetic :)

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), April 16, 1999.

Andy commented:

"Remember the 25 rules of disinformation Hoff?"

These 25 rules of disinformation are emblazoned on the walls and ceiling of Hoff's office.

Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), April 16, 1999.

Ray and Andy come to the defense of Y2Knewswire, the tabloid of the internet. This site brought sensationalism to new heights. They published a report that Y2K had its first airplane fatality last year. The plane ran out of fuel but somehow they made it interconnected to Y2K. Ray, Im not surprised but Andy I thought you had more sense than that.

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), April 16, 1999.

Hoffmeister,

Anyone who has availed themselves of the FACTS regarding this Administrations PROPAGANDA machine would have to be brain dead not to believe that an attempt at COVER UP is not underway.

In the weeks and months ahead the EVIDENCE will roll in. The governments efforts to minimalize the effects of y2k, of which no one knows exactly, will backfire on them.

You can bet their strategy is well under way with regard to laying blame. That also won't work.

Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), April 16, 1999.

It NEVER ceases to amaze me how certain folks are right in line to promote Hoffmeisters rhetoric.

More than just a coincidence???????

Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), April 16, 1999.

That's it, guys. Ignore the question.

Cany you say denial? Sure, I knew you could.

-- Hoffmeister (hoff_meister@my-dejanews.com), April 16, 1999.

Thanks for posting this. Isn't the point that no matter who this comes from, it is a printed verbalization of what we all know/think anyway? (Us GI's at least.)And therein lies the value, for me anyway. An article that can be printed and given to people showing what I believe to be true, without me having to do the writing:)

It doesn't get better than that.

I'm going to put this in all the neighbor's mailboxes. It should start them thinking about what the real situation is.

-- someone (IlikeAndy@thisBB.net), April 16, 1999.

Interesting that they're coming back on MARCH 26, 1999. Have they invented a time-machine?

-- Doomslayer (1@2.3), April 16, 1999.

Hoffmeister, Paul Davis and Maria,

Time will eventually result in the ultimate TRUTH.

Time is one thing that Government CANNOT control.

Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), April 16, 1999.

I LOVE to see the SHILLS come out of the woodwork like this.

I know we are having an effect!!!! Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), April 16, 1999.

Very humorous article, they should submit this to the Onion! Once you get through all the rhetoric, though, there aren't many valid points.

A bank in Texas, Pacific Southwest Bank, has issued a brochure that outright claims preparedness information is a "scheme" perpetrated by con artists.

WRONG! What they said is that one type of scheme used by con artists is Selling books or subscriptions to magazines that supposedly contain information on 'surviving' the 'crisis.'" In no place did they say or imply that ALL preparedness information was a scheme or that ALL people distributing this information were con artists.

Example: Some snakes lay eggs. Some eggs are rotten. Therefore all animals that lay eggs are snakes and all eggs are rotten, using their logic. Fascinating!

Clearly, it indicates they aren't done with even the planning stage. They also aren't done with system testing. Remember, it is this apparently non-compliant bank that's urging you to not withdraw your cash.

How does this support the premise of the article that Y2K Complaince is a sham? Did they say they were complaint? Did they say the were done testing or planning? Does it really matter what date they (or any other company for that matter) become compliant, as long as it is before 12/31/99?

But the main point here is much larger than that. {big snip!}

Based on what follows, apparently the main point is to rehash a bunch of old, pointless anecdotal information.

Y2K will claims some lives. Count on it. Just one city's traffic lights system failure alone will probably result in multiple automobile fatalities.

What evidence exists that traffic lights are even susceptible. We've had lots of power outages even recently where traffic lights were out for days and there were not 'multiple automobile fatalities'. This smacks of airplanes falling out of the skies, elevators falling to the basement, and other ridiculous scare-mongering tactics.

THIS TOPS THE LIST OF INSANE HISTORICAL COVER-UPS

Here is some nice rational thinking. Invoke the Nazi comparison. More scare mongering.

BUT Y2KNEWSWIRE.COM WILL RIDE THIS THING THROUGH

Come back on Monday, March 26, 1999, when Y2KNEWSWIRE picks up again where we left off.

Woops! Looks like Y2KNEWSWIRE has a Y99 date problem!!

Bottom line -- they along with WND got nailed on this Lumen Foods thing and they are embarrassed and can't admit the truth. They fraudulently created quotes and got called on it and now throw up this new rambling manifesto to divert attention. It seems they are well versed in the 25 steps of disinformation as well.

-- RMS (rms_200@hotmail.com), April 16, 1999.

Ray, you need to seek some psychiatric help. You need to get a grip on reality (on so very many levels). I stay away from responding to your inane posts for a week and you're getting even more delusional.

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), April 16, 1999.

Borrowing a phrase from Lisa here with one word changed.

Studying pessimists is both depressing and alarming.

-- Doomslayer (1@2.3), April 16, 1999.

I want to have nothing to do with y2k NewsWire or World Net Daily News. The GI's who constantly tout this nonsense are embarassing the rest of us.

-- RobbY2K (robby2k@uno.com), April 16, 1999.

Oh cmon now Ray, the guy hollers about nobody telling the truth and I ask if he is compliant? You don't think that is a valid question? Why not for pitys sake? WOULD HE ACCEPT HIS OWN COMPLIANCE STATEMENT?

-- Paul Davis (davisp1953@yahoo.com), April 16, 1999.

Love to watch you folks SQUIRM!!!

Now back to REALITY

Time will be the ultimate TRUTH TELLER here and time is running short.

Let's see what happens in the weeks to come!! If Hoffmeister and crew are correct we can ALL celebrate. If Hoffmeister and crew are incorrect then those that they managed to sway will be the BIG LOSERS.

Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), April 16, 1999.

To those disagreeing with this, please disprove the quote below:

The denial of reality is pervasive, and so is the continuing cover- up. Just this week, Gene Dodaro, assistant comptroller general for the GAO, explains how HCFA (which administers Medicare) exaggerated compliance: "For example...none of HCFA's [the Health Care and Financing Administration, which administers Medicare and Medicaid] 54 external mission-critical systems reported by the Department of Health and Human Services as compliant as of December 31, 1998, were Year 2000 ready, based on serious qualifications identified by the independent verification and validation contractor."

Stop talking in generalities and prove to me that the government is telling the truth.

-- Mike Lang (webflier@erols.com), April 16, 1999.

Well now were getting into the definitions of the terms used: compliant and Year 2000 ready. I can give you my interpretation of these. Compliant  remediated and tested. Year 2000 ready found to work through the rollover, may or may not need remediation. I have no idea how GAO defines it and I dont really care.

Now an example of IV&V. We had a contractor come in and perform their magic on one of our apps. The contractor found that 25% of the programs within the application were not compliant. Background: the IV&V contractor was a competitor of the contractor who converted the code. When I looked further into the report, I found that the IV&V actually uncovered 2% of the infected LOC not converted. (Keep in mind that generally 10% of the total LOC is infected). This 2% is about normal for defects found in tested code going into production. It so happens that the defects found were spread out among 25% of the programs. So even though the IV&V contractor didnt lie, they certainly made it sound more dire than it really was, which was a part of their agenda. And upon further investigation, the defects found did not impact the code processing, specifically, they involved dates on reports, only a minor defect.

I cannot prove anything to you Mike. I only know from my real world experiences that things aren't as bad as these articles lead you to believe. Unfortunately the Enlish language is not very precise and the pessimists continue to pick it apart as if they can find lies. I don't think the government intended to lie about anything.

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), April 16, 1999.

Maria commented:

" I don't think the government intended to lie about anything. "

Yada, Yada, Yada !

Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), April 16, 1999.

Hey, Mike, I can prove that our govt. has completely fumbled the Y2K pigskin in 25 words or less.

If the .gov were truly aware of the possible extent of Y2K damage, they would have been after every other world govt. to remediate their core infrastructures four years ago.

Really, how can you collect loan payments from completely de- stabilized countries?

-- Lisa (lisa@work.hey), April 16, 1999.

Lisa,

"Really, how can you collect loan payments from completely de- stabilized countries?"

You're forgetting it is US, the USA, that is the supreme debtor nation (remember Ross Perot's mantra (texan trillions) a couple of years ago about our debt), what better way for the capitalists to gain control of weaker nations (in the y2k sense), than let them implode and mop up afterwards with power plays and economic scams.

Just a thought.

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), April 16, 1999.

Oh and Maria,

Thanks, reading your posts is better than doing sit-ups, and I'm trying to trim my waist. You should patent some of them, better than any ab workout I know.

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), April 16, 1999.

Good thought, Andy.

I still contend that my point proves beyond a shadow that govt didn't really appreciate the true implications of Y2K until Spring of 1998. After all, they didn't start harassing other nations until Summer of 1998.

They fumbled.

-- Lisa (lisa@work.now), April 16, 1999.

Good essay.

And there IS a cover-up going on. That much we do know.

How it will effect our world is open to speculation, but make no mistake, it will do so.

Stay tuned. We'll find out next year.

And, do make friends with a hungry lawyer. Could be a useful acquaintance.

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), April 16, 1999.

If Steven Brill (Brill's Content magazine) ever decides to cover Y2K, he will have a mountain to climb. See his Letter.

-- Tom Carey (tomcarey@mindspring.com), April 16, 1999.

Andy, please keep those images (doing situps) to yourself.

Lisa, with that logic, I know that scientists around the world need your expertise in proving what happens when traveling through a black hole.

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), April 16, 1999.

Maria,

you are SO dense, my joke flew completely over your cranium didn't it :)

Please, don't post any more, it's hurting...

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), April 16, 1999.

Andy, your joke?

Oh, you mean the cut and paste from LOSERWIRE.

Hehe, good one, Andy.

-- Hoffmeister (hoff_meister@my-dejanews.com), April 16, 1999.

Maria: that point proves it all. Not trying to be egotistic; that ain't me.

If we're instantly on a plane to shove new vaccinations, election systems, disaster recovery (earthquakes, volcanoes, hurricanes, etc) because of our altruistic nature, why weren't we on their asses years ago to get their electricity, phones, banks etc in shape?

Why did we wait until 8 months ago to start buggin' them?

Because we hadn't really done the assessment until Spring of 1998.

-- Lisa (lisa@work.now), April 16, 1999.

Actually Hoff - no.

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), April 16, 1999.

Lisa, Y2K remediation takes $. How are we supposed to tell any country how to spend their money? That presupposes we know "better than they" know what's best for them. These other countries have access to the same IT knowledge that we do (for the most part, even our STS technology was made public). Their insurance companies failed in 1990 just like ours did. They found the same problems we did. What more could we do? Further, why should we shove down their throats? We get involved on many occasions when we really shouldn't.

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), April 16, 1999.

AArrggh, ouch, stop it, stop it Maria, I can't take anymoooore... aarrgghhhh

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), April 16, 1999.

Maria, are you on TAXPAYER time, if so get back to work!!

Your Pal, Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), April 16, 1999.

Andy, two beers, one arrest, the smallest jail cell.

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), April 16, 1999.

OK Maria - you got me good - I'll shut up now :)

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), April 16, 1999.

Geez,

Has anyone noticed that most of the calm, well-thought out posts here come from the female sex, and most of the nervous (and totally unproductive) ones come from guys?

Liz Dole for Prez, everyone.

Sincerely,

A male.

-- Fred (fred@foo.bar), April 16, 1999.

I like Liz Dole myself. We would never go to war, but once a month, it would get very scary. (Just kidding ladies, can't ya take a yolk?)

-- Mike (boxman9186@aol.com), April 16, 1999.