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Monday April 5, 7:16 AM

White House Doves Turn to Hillary

The Clinton White House was so divided over the President's plan to bomb the Balkans that administration doves hoped Hillary would intercede.

That's the word from longtime Clinton nemesis Larry Nichols, who seems to have developed a reliable White House source for the latest on the Kosovo crisis.

For instance, Nichols knew that Clinton's war on Slobodan Milosevic would commence precisely on March 24 -- and said so up and down the radio dial nearly a week before it happened.

And now other events Nichols described to Inside Cover early last week are being confirmed by the mainstream press.

Last Thursday, the Washington Post reported that the CIA warned Clinton that bombing would only accelerate Kosovo's refugee problem. Now stories swirl about how Clinton overuled even his Pentagon advisors on the advisability of military action.

Days before any of this hit the media Nichols told us, "The morning the bombing started, I found out there was a huge rift inside the administration."

Then the onetime Clinton crony added, "In fact, if you start looking into this you'll find that the White House staff even called Hillary to come home because they hoped she'd get Bill to stop it."

Mrs. Clinton was touring Africa when her husband ordered the NATO airstrikes on Yugoslavia. Nichols says network reporters were able to confirm what his White House source told him about the call to Hillary -- but have sat on the story.

It was White House fears over expected Chinagate bombshells in the soon-to-be released Cox report that prompted Clinton to order "bombs away" over Belgrade.

After a March 19 press conference where the President was queried about ongoing Chinese espionage, he and his advisors met and examined their options for a "bankable issue", Nichols said. "They expected the Cox report to come out the next Wednesday and they needed something big."

A week later Kosovo had replaced China on the front pages. According to Nichols, Clinton was giving high fives to his staff, telling them, "We hit a home run."

-- Nabi Davidson (nabi7@yahoo.com), April 05, 1999

Answers

Another wag the dog. Another tragedy.

-- b (b@b.b), April 05, 1999.

Nabi-

Thanks for the sensationalism a la Hard Copy concerning this serious issue. If you and the rest of the country had not had your collective head up your ass for the past year and a half trying to determine what brand of cigar the President shoved up Monica's twat, maybe you would have tuned into the rest of the world's problems...like the State Department and Clinton's advisors had been doing. Just because the situation over there is news to you doesn't mean it wasn't occuring.

-- y2k con (a@b.c), April 05, 1999.


y2k con . . . if you're beloved President didn't have such a persistent habit of proving every rumor right, then maybe such stories could more easily be dismissed. Sadly, the man you elected is more than capable of initiating this war purely to cover his butt in an attempt to keep morons such as yourself loyal.

-- David (David@BankPacman.com), April 05, 1999.

Preach on, Brother David!! Seriously though, I feel that our liar in briefs(Heh), the Great Slick One, Bill Clinton, created this crisis only to avoid the China Scandal. He has proven over and over that human life means nothing to him. :( Such as the WACO attacks, the attacks on the "terrorist" factory, and his avoiding the much worse Rwanda crisis show he cares only for himself,and NOTHING for the people he should be leading!! :(

-- Crono (Crono@timesend.com), April 05, 1999.

Crono,

Since you brought up Rwanda. I have a question that maybe you can answer. How come the SATO hasn't done anything about Rwanda? Nato, not the UN is doing the Kosovo "conflict". Yes, I agree that the US is the major force of power in NATO, but that is besides the point.

-- (Questions@2.ask), April 05, 1999.



Clinton is America's Hitler.

Self-absorbed, Self-gratifying, on a mission regardless of cost to have a legacy of greatness, and to set himself up as Hero of the American Experience.

He is dangerous. He is evil. We are all at risk.

Judge a man by his fruits, and you will know him.

-- INVAR (gundark@aol.com), April 05, 1999.


In fairness to Slick (I can't believe I'm saying this), these stories only mean FOR SURE that the admin and military recognize they have a disaster on their hands and are finger-pointing merrily around the circle. That said, I have no doubt that wag-the-dog played a key role for Klinton the improviser.

I'm not so sure China is gonna go away, tho' I'll bet that Gore is the one who reaps the reward of treachery in next year's election, if Y2K doesn't do it first.

-- BigDog (BigDog@duffer.com), April 05, 1999.


Well Said INVAR!! I agree with you that Clinton is an evil, deranged pervert. I feel that he wants a Y2K crisis, as it will "solve the over population crisis" that Gore wrote about. He will try to use y2k in my opinion to take more power for himself and the NWO. When he makes promises, expect them to be broken.

-- Crono (Crono@timesend.com), April 05, 1999.

y2k con you are a moron of epic proportions. Congratulations on proving Darwin correct.

NOTHING that surfaces about Clinton surprises me anymore - and that is sad.

What's he gonna do next?

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), April 05, 1999.


I wonder if the UN piece Keepers will over see USA 2000 elections?

-- Cape (C@p.e), April 05, 1999.


Andy-

What makes you think you are an expert in foreign affairs, military matters and humanitarian issues? Why are you driving yourself nuts trying to find deeper and deeper layers of conspiracy? Of course there are ulterior motives. There always are. So whose side are you on? Why don't you go and join the Serbs and fight alongside your soul mates?

Grow up Andy. Shit happens. War is nothing new. Stop blaming Clinton when so many others are involved in calling the shots. Stop assuming you know the full picture. Milosevic is a madman. Both of his parents committed suicide. His army is systematically exterminating humans. We asked him to stop. He refused. We told him to stop. He refused. We said "stop, or we'll rain bombs on you". He still refused. What are we supposed to do then? Apologize for even bothering him?

Remember Hitler? Should we sit idly by as Neville Chamberland did? If it were up to you armchair quarterbacks, Iraq would have nuclear warheads capable of reaching US cities by now. What is it about these painful realities that you fail to comprehend?

I have read dozens of opinions of this latest "war". Almost all are against the action. All I'm saying is that this situation is not as simple as it looks, but its not as convoluted as you make it appear. Of course there are hidden agendas. The bigger question is can we make lemonade from this military lemon?

You think wars are perfect? Are humans infallible? Are there always easy answers to life's strifes? You don't need to convince me that War is hell. What you need to show me is how we could have survived as a world power had we not taken matters into our own hands in the Middle East war (Iraq) and now Europe (which is a few months away from y2k induced economic collapse, which could result in the greatest power vacuum ever seen). Don't overlook the obvious. The Powers that Be may be one step ahead of you on this one.

You like to cite Internet conspiracy experts, so check this one out:

http://www.polyconomics.com/searchbase/03-31-99.html

"But what happened to Yugoslavia -- and now continues in its weak successor states -- should resonate beyond the Balkans. Yugoslavia is a mirror for similar economic restructuring programs in not only the developing world but also in the US, Canada and Western Europe. The Yugoslav reforms are the cruel reflection of a destructive economic model pushed to the extreme."

What they are saying is that this is the downside of the "largest peacetime expansion in history" coming home to roost. The IMF (international bankers practicing "fractional banking", which is really nothing but voodoo and chicken bones) is now lowering the boom as History's latest period of Wine and Roses finally comes to an end. Hence my statement, "Stop blaming Clinton when so many others are involved in calling the shots."

But here's the kicker. We, as Americans, have benefited from this period of prosperity. We didn't think it important enough at the time to figure all this nasty stuff out; we were too busy picking out SUV's and watching Sally Jessie Rafeal, and obsessing over the President's mistress. So, bitching about what is going down now is just so much whining and gnashing of teeth of what were previously eager participants (yes you - YOU wanted a higher salary...YOU wanted your 401K to skyrocket...YOU wanted a higher standard of living than your parents, and a higher one still for your children..)

This is nothing. Save your angst for what will transpire later this year, and the next. And pray to God that we do not go over the brink.

-- y2k con (a@b.c), April 05, 1999.


Excuse me, but I was under the impression that this was a y2k forum !

-- Yan (no@no.no), April 05, 1999.

Y2K Con-

Regarding the your angle on Kosovo:

You are wrong. Plain and simple.

We HAVE to blame Clinton, he's THE COMMANDER-In-CHIEF....HE DOES CALL ALL THE SHOTS! Especially after all the politication of every Federal agency in the Federal Government.

And contrary to your absolutely absurd notion of Iraqi Nukes raining from ICBM's onto our heads......that CANNOT happen!!!! Unless of course Iraq contributed to Clinton's re-election campaign along with China....Then anything's possible!

...And making military lemonade from lemons??????? Do you really mean that? If you do...YOU'RE AN IDIOT!!!!!!

You don't make military lemonade out of bad policy..... You make blood. And lots of it.

Don't fall for the Clinton Propaganda machine.

It makes you look as bad an asshole as he.

-- INVAR (gundark@aol.com), April 05, 1999.


From Mike Taylor on another thread:

You have a better argument saying this is an illegal NATO action than an illegal action by the President. Regardless, I expect Congress to come back early from their break and vote their support for the current NATO action and even that argument will be moot.

Personally, I still believe the most relevant reason for the current action by NATO is the preservation of NATO itself. They backed themselves into a corner and they're fighting their way out.

If NATO fails then Europe becomes further destabilized, including NATO countries themselves.

If NATO fails the U.S. faces even greater and looming dangers from China, North Korea and other areas.

NATO cannot afford to fail or lose face. They utilize the most sophisticated weapons on the planet and if they do not make a good show here then their credibility in the world will become very difficult.

What is really a shame is seeing how the politicians are playing a role in the buildup and use of forces. I'm positive the military is hampered by this.

Also, it's interesting to see how many in the U.S. view our own security as only being important within our borders. We always revert to an isolationist view when our economy is booming and our lives are going well.

Unfortunately, a whole lot of Americans died this century to try to bring peace to Europe and the world and one jerk dictator is all it takes to destabilize that peace. I really wonder how it is that anyone can support that Serb tyrant and those that support him. At one time the Serbs fought against Nazi Germany and now they are guilty of the same kind of madness they fought against.

It's a strange world.

Mike ======================================

n Michael Taylor (mtdesign3@aol.com), April 05, 1999.

And this:

As a nation the country typically becomes more focused on internal issues during times of prosperity. That's historical fact and what's really scary about it is that we've been pushed out of that focus by major wars in the past. My fear is that this is exactly what is about to occur at this time.

I think this is one of those times when no answer is an easy one, no action is without cost and no position is without a failing of one form or another. People are going to get hurt and die because, as a race, we haven't figured out a way to solve our differences short of war. If that were the case then Slobadan Milosevic wouldn't have massed his troops and tanks outside villages in Kosovo and shelled the them as a way to flush out the KLA. He would have addressed, peacefully, the differences between the KLA and his government and then formed an agreement which was based upon a mutual interest in peace. Oh, and I know, the KLA are a bunch of drug smugglers and terrorists. However, that is Milo's reason for his actions, not mine. He didn't want to work with the peaceful leaders of Kosovo either.

Regardless, I do see this as being much less about the humanitarian issues regarding this conflict and much more about the credibility of NATO. Remember, the allies that make up NATO are some of our closest allies and to leave them without our leadership and cooperation at this time would destroy us.

You didn't address anything regarding the position and the future of NATO and in turn the future of Europe. If Europe falls into a bloody heap of death and destruction and armed conflict can the U.S. sit by and watch, unaffected? If Europe suffers from disruption and economic chaos as a result of the actions of Slobandon Milosevic should the U.S. sit by and watch? Also, can the U.S. sit by and watch thinking it can remain an island of prosperity and not suffer adverse affects?

Frankly, I can't see how the U.S. wins if it sits by and does nothing but I can see how the U.S. loses. I think it's better we act now and fight to win under terms we dictate rather than sit by and see what history brings to us from the sidelines.

It is interesting though how this whole tragedy seems to have parallels to y2k all over it.

Mike ======================================

-- Michael Taylor (mtdesign3@aol.com), April 05, 1999.

-- a (a@a.a), April 05, 1999.


Hey, Y2k con,

Thanks for the thoughtful and intelligent writing.

INVAR, you are a blathering idiot for comparing Clinton to Hitler. What frank stupidity and derangement! Yeah, right, Clinton is worse than Hitler.

Go to hell, INVAR. On second thought, forget that, you're already there, roiling about in the Hell of your small feeble mind.

-- Bergamot (coach@dayton.sea), April 06, 1999.



INVAR, I believe the line about Clinton is "judge a man by his nuts", not his fruits.

-- Amused (giggling@laughing.hard), April 06, 1999.

Hey-up!

I've just got back from the pub and have digested your missive - I am doing a manual spellcheck so pleas forgive all folooeing errors... :)

Now - you must rememmber thet i'm extre,eely pisse bit I'm going to do my best y2k Von in riposte.......

Herer we go

"Andy-

What makes you think you are an expert in foreign affairs, military matters and humanitarian issues?

####### very simple, an enquiribg mind... "########

Why are you driving yourself nuts trying to find deeper and deeper layers of conspiracy?

####### How can you tell that I am driving myself nuts? I may exhibit this trait on the forun, but with my fellow postal workers there is not a problen ...:)

Of course there are ulterior motives. There always are. So whose side are you on? Why don't you go and join the Serbs and fight alongside your soul mates?

######## I'm way past that you simpleton. Sorry. You by definition can't be a simpleton, maybe a (inser word here...) ######

Grow up Andy.

####### 40 #######

Shit happens.

####### yes indeedee ######

"Stop blaming Clinton when so many others are involved in calling the shots."

####### Oh, don't blame the point man, the Quaterback in US parlance...

You are a "pultroon" my friend, look it up..."

Stop assuming you know the full picture. Milosevic is a madman. Both of his parents committed suicide. His army is systematically exterminating humans. We asked him to stop. He refused. We told him to stop. He refused. We said "stop, or we'll rain bombs on you". He still refused. What are we supposed to do then? Apologize for even bothering him?

####### No apoligies neded dolt. You "seem" very clued up on all this y2k con, I suspect that you have not done any alternative reseARCH... oR

Remember Hitler? Should we sit idly by as Neville Chamberland did? If it were up to you armchair quarterbacks, Iraq would have nuclear warheads capable of reaching US cities by now. What is it about these painful realities that you fail to comprehend?

I have read dozens of opinions of this latest "war". Almost all are against the action. All I'm saying is that this situation is not as simple as it looks, but its not as convoluted as you make it appear. Of course there are hidden agendas. The bigger question is can we make lemonade from this military lemon?

You think wars are perfect? Are humans infallible? Are there always easy answers to life's strifes? You don't need to convince me that War is hell. What you need to show me is how we could have survived as a world power had we not taken matters into our own hands in the Middle East war (Iraq) and now Europe (which is a few months away from y2k induced economic collapse, which could result in the greatest power vacuum ever seen). Don't overlook the obvious. The Powers that Be may be one step ahead of you on this one.

You like to cite Internet conspiracy experts, so check this one out:

http://www.polyconomics.com/searchbase/03-31-99.html

"But what happened to Yugoslavia -- and now continues in its weak successor states -- should resonate beyond the Balkans. Yugoslavia is a mirror for similar economic restructuring programs in not only the developing world but also in the US, Canada and Western Europe. The Yugoslav reforms are the cruel reflection of a destructive economic model pushed to the extreme."

What they are saying is that this is the downside of the "largest peacetime expansion in history" coming home to roost. The IMF (international bankers practicing "fractional banking", which is really nothing but voodoo and chicken bones) is now lowering the boom as History's latest period of Wine and Roses finally comes to an end. Hence my statement, "Stop blaming Clinton when so many others are involved in calling the shots."

But here's the kicker. We, as Americans, have benefited from this period of prosperity. We didn't think it important enough at the time to figure all this nasty stuff out; we were too busy picking out SUV's and watching Sally Jessie Rafeal, and obsessing over the President's mistress. So, bitching about what is going down now is just so much whining and gnashing of teeth of what were previously eager participants (yes you - YOU wanted a higher salary...YOU wanted your 401K to skyrocket...YOU wanted a higher standard of living than your parents, and a higher one still for your children..)

This is nothing. Save your angst for what will transpire later this year, and the next. And pray to God that we do not go over the brink.

-- y2k con (a@b.c), April 05, 1999.



-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), April 06, 1999.


I feel that Clinton is a deranged, evil piece of *R^)#. He has constantly shown that he has no morals, and according to some people who were once close to him, a murderer. There is an aleged list of over 80+ people that have been killed on his orders. I belive it too. He is a snake who will do anything if he can. I agree with INVAR. Clinton is Hitler reborn. But then again, so is Milosovitch... There is no easy way out of the mess we have created for ourselves is there...

-- Crono (Crono@timesend.com), April 06, 1999.

Jude has a simple explanation for this:

"The Americans, they're cracked"

To give you credit, for Americans substitute Clinton, how in a democracy can wars still be started by powerful leaders without recourse to parliament or the people

For God's sake why does Hiliary involve herself in politics, is she now an elected representative

PS Blair is also cracked

-- dick of the dale (rdale@coynet.com), April 06, 1999.


Bergamot

WHY am I an idiot for comparing Clinton to Hitler Hmmmmm???

You forgot to cite evidence to prove me wrong. On the other hand, Nabi, Andy, Crono, myself and many others on many threads have listed myriad examples of how your king can be compared with this century's worst tyrants.

Of course the 'frank stupidy and derrangement' was a nice touch, I love how you Subjects of Clinton will go beserk at any criticism of your king.

The: "Yeah right - Clinton is worse than Hitler" really made me rethink my political opinion of your king. Sheer genious in your rebuttal I would say. Excellent. Your pea-sized brain must really hurt after that epiphany, go rest it.

The 'Go to hell' part was amusing reading. You liberal morons never change I'll give you that. You're consistent idiots.

Dumber than doorknobs, but loyal- all the way to the gaschambers.

-- INVAR (gundark@aol.com), April 06, 1999.


Once again, you're right on INVAR!! You obviously have some ability to see through bullsh*T, that most other's can't! It's too bad most americns's don't! :(

-- Crono (Crono@timesend.com), April 07, 1999.

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