Lizard ranch is smaller than the Baron's place with not near
a million bucks invested hence Lizard ranch instead of
Dragon ranch. Could not see the URL on this peice so I
posted it in full here. I think some of you may want to print
it off.
SURVIVAL TACTICS
Y2K Preparedness
Tenth Edition 1/19/99
By Ken Raggio
Proverbs 22:3
A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself:
but the simple pass on, and are punished.
Meaning: If you are wise, you will prepare.
If you are foolish, and do nothing, you will be sorry.
I have written this article to help you identify the most urgent needs we have to face in the coming year. Time is really running out. If you are going to act, you had better act quickly. Many of the things you will need to fare well in Y2K are going to be in very short supply very soon.
I am not insanely "crying wolf". There really is a wolf at the door this time. If you still don't believe that Y2K deserves some special planning and preparation, read my online article "Y2K- Mother of all Calamities". It is FULL of heavily documented Y2K gloom and doom. My entire website is loaded with hundreds of pages of valuable Y2K and Bible Prophecy information. Please visit it at http://www.kenraggio.com And since you are here, THANKS for taking the time to read this article. I sincerely hope and pray that you and your family will fare well through the critical days ahead.
At the end of this article are some links to other websites that have helpful information. One of them, from Ted Derryberry, provides a DATED priority list - deadlines for each item you will need. This is a very helpful list. He calculates the approximate time when certain items are sure to become hard to find as well as last-minute perishable items.
This article is ever changing. As time allows, more information will be added. Be sure to check this website occasionally for newer versions. Please feel free to contribute worthwhile ideas and resources for Y2K readiness. I will try to incorporate the best information I receive into this article.
Each category will expand as each of us contributes valuable information on each subject. Please send any new and important information you may accumulate.
Let me address the most important issues first. Your soul and your church.
Church If Y2K is only a fraction as bad as it threatens to be, it is going to be a most trying time for us all. Spiritually, we are going to need to maintain a close walk with God. I must say that Jesus Christ is the one and only resource that is absolutely indispensable. As always, a true Christian should have a regimen of prayer, fasting and Bible study. But now, more than ever, we should maintain a close relationship to Jesus Christ.
If you are not ready to meet God, I urge you to take some time to visit my website and read the articles in the "Great Doctrines of the Apostolic Faith". They will show you the plan of salvation, and the way to experience the New Birth.
If your relationship with God is what it should be, then you can believe as David said, "I've never seen the righteous forsaken, nor His seed out begging bread." God will take care of you!
Some might use that as an excuse to do nothing in preparation for Y2K. That is a cop-out
A Biblical argument for observing warnings and preparing:
God warned Abraham that He was going to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah. Because of the warning, Abraham interceded for Lot and his family to be saved. What if Abraham had IGNORED the prophecy? Lot would have died in the fire.
God warned Joseph that there would be seven years of famine in Egypt. Joseph stored up, and SAVED both Egypt and his FAMILY. What if Joseph had IGNORED the prophetic warning? Egypt and his family would have starved.
When Jesus was born, the angel WARNED Joseph to flee with them to Egypt. What if Joseph had IGNORED the warning? The baby might have been slaughtered.
Of course, Noah built the ark. If he hadn't, he and his family would have drowned.
What will happen to YOUR family if you do nothing to prepare for Y2K? (Use your imagination.)
Yet many insist that preaching a warning of hard times is unscriptural and shows a lack of faith in God. Nothing could be further from the truth. We MUST prepare! Our preparations should be both spiritual and physical.
Spiritual preparations include a close relation to our church. Surviving Y2K requires spiritual community. We will need our brothers and sisters in the Lord very much in trying times. We cannot afford to walk away from the body of Christ. Don't break away from the church!
Even though Y2K may cause many people to relocate, we must make every attempt to maintain our spiritual community as long as it is possible. This means that we should attempt to relocate within a reasonable closeness to one another. Do not move away from a good church.
Ideally, saints should set up farming communities. Let's hope and pray we can get along under pressure. Let the strong ones help the weak ones, especially the fatherless, widows and singles.
Those who have the means to provide land for parking trailers should consider making a place for those who are financially incapable of setting up their own homesteads. Those who have large houses with spare rooms should consider taking in others who cannot support themselves. Anyone who is financially blessed should consider assisting some who are in great need.
If circumstances finally prevent us from meeting at our church building, we will need to establish a circuit of meeting from house to house so that we can continue to hear the preaching of the Word (faith comes by hearing) and the ministry to the body. We will certainly need all the spiritual reinforcements we can get.
The Word of God is what has enlightened us to this problem in the first place. The Word will be even more essential and enlightening as we face the difficult times ahead.
Y2K is going to require a radical change in our lifestyles.
We are going back to the farm. When 01/01/00 rolls over, it will be 1900 again. Electronic gadgets will be worthless. The crash of '29 was severe, but at least they had water wells, oil lanterns, chickens in the back yard, corn in the field, and a horse.
Modern Americans don't. It's time NOW to start stocking up. Look for the same items that the old-timers used to survive.
Before I go any further, I want to STRONGLY ADVISE you to stop RIGHT NOW and order the Reader's Digest reference book entitled, "BACK TO BASICS". There is not a better book anywhere for getting a crash course in old-fashioned survivalist living back on the farm. I ordered my copy through Amazon.com for 19.95 plus tax. They shipped it immediately and I got it in a couple of days. YOU WILL LOVE THIS BOOK! Look it up at http://www.amazon.com Incidentally, I ordered it directly from Readers Digest and it never came. Amazon.com is faster.
WHERE TO LOOK FOR THINGS YOU NEED
There is no limit to the amount of resources you will find, but you must EDUCATE yourself quickly, so you will know what you need. Helpful books, pamphlets and articles are available on every conceivable subject. Look on the INTERNET first, doing searches on keywords. Vast amounts of FREE information can be gathered that way.
If you do not have access to the internet, go to the LIBRARY and educate yourself. Reference books are useful, or check out books on any subject you need.
Your local bookstore is a gold-mine of information. Go to Barnes & Noble, Books-A-Million or elsewhere. Look for books and magazines. Look in these categories: Survival / Gardening / Hunting-Fishing / Solar / Home-building / Farming / etc.
Call toll-free numbers and order catalogues and brochures.
For actual supplies there are countless sources. Try newspaper classified adds, the local "thrifty nickel" type papers, farmers almanacs, Thrift stores (Salvation Army, etc), salvage stores, army/navy surplus stores, farm and feed stores, junk dealers, flea markets, antique stores, and radio trading posts, and PAWN SHOPS! Last, but not least, try Wal-Mart.
LAND and WATER
In case you dont realize it, the city water supply will fail if the power grid fails. It takes electricity to treat our water supplies. Within a few days of the power failure, water lines will be full of contaminated waters. You will NOT be able to drink or USE city water. This poses the most serious condition for survival. Hence the following discussion of WATER needs.
If you already live on a piece of property that has either a water well or a creek or pond, you are one of the more fortunate ones. I will discuss how to get your water later.
Many of us will be forced to relocate in order to survive. The city is not likely to be a safe place to be, since people will soon be stealing everything that will help them survive.
CITY OR COUNTRY?
Most cities do not allow water wells. Strike one.
If you grow a garden, neighbors will steal your crop. Strike two.
If you stockpile food or gold, they will break into your house. Strike three.
Youre out! (of the city).
If you already live in the country -- THANK GOD!!
Buying and Selling
At the moment, the real estate market is slowing down. It is a buyers market, with interest rates low and lending practices loose, but sellers are starting to worry. The closer we get to Y2K, the real estate market is going to freeze up. Country properties will skyrocket. City properties are likely to sit unsold.
If you really want to survive Y2K, consider selling unusable property that has a lots of equity. That equity will do you NO GOOD in Y2K, but could purchase a lot of survival goods right now.
Other sources of cash include anything in your house that is worthless on the farm. Lots of modern gadgets will be worthless in Y2K. Have a garage sale. Sell off collections and art and things that are luxury items, especially if you are strapped for survival cash. Sell spare vehicles NOW!
Stop buying things that wont contribute to your survival. Dont waste cash.
Quickly shop around for land before you buy. Look at several properties, so you will be sure to get a good value. Compare prices per acre, water availability, timber, sun, garden area, privacy, access, etc. Wooded land is generally cheaper than cleared or developed land. Dont hesitate to buy in the middle of nowhere.
As you shop for land, keep certain things in mind:
Water does the land have a water on it? TOP PRIORITY!!
A stream, pond or lake with FISH in it is going to be PRICELESS. Try to get one. It could contribute immensely to your survival.
A spring or running water will also be priceless, considering that electricity will not be necessary to furnish water to your house. Any moving water source can potentially run a hydro-electric generator. It should be able to produce at least five gallons per minute of water flow. A small pump house with a generator and battery back-up will be absolutely wonderful to have.
A RAM PUMP does not require electricity, working on a simple hydraulic principle, and can pump water as far as 150 feet from the source. Larger, more expensive RAM PUMPS can pump farther uphill.
In the absence of a SPRING or CREEK, you should have a WATER WELL. If you have to dig one, it will cost approximately $9 per foot of depth (i.e., 100 foot =$900; 250 foot = $2250 WELL ONLY does NOT include PUMP). A 100 well needs a = hp pump. A 200 well needs > hp pump. Over 200 needs 1 hp pump.
Pumps range from a few hundred dollars to over $1000, depending on the well. Try SALVAGE stores for clearance items. I saw several at a SALVAGE store for $100 each, brand new SEARS models.
If you are a do-it-yourselfer, there is a WATER WELL DRILLING RIG available for under $2000 from DeepRock - 1-800-633-8774.
Ponds or Lakes. The value of a piece of property goes up with ponds or lakes. A SMALL POND adds a couple thousand dollars to land. A MEDIUM POND will add $5000-$6000 value. A LARGE POND will add over $10,000 to the price of property.
The VALUE of a pond to you depends upon its usefulness. You cant DRINK from it, unless there is a spring and you have filtration devices. Otherwise, it can be used to water animals, or for household washing and bathing, and fishing.
If you have a spring or a creek, you need to have the water tested. If it is good, you are in luck. If not, you can pump it into the house and add a REVERSE OSMOSIS water filtration system (available at Sams Club for about $175). Dont forget you will need additional filters for future use.
Other water filtration devices include a PUR system, at Wal-Mart for $29 to $59. You will need a large supply of filters for several years advance use. You will have a few hundred dollars in a system of this nature.
WATER PUMPS: Beside the RAM PUMP (which requires NO power to operate) you have the option of several kinds of other water pumps.
1. SOLAR POWERED, 2. FUEL POWERED PUMPS, 3. HAND PUMPS.
SOLAR POWERED - there is a variety of sources for solar powered pumps. The prices of SOLAR PANELS must be ADDED to the prices of pumps (mentioned above). Solar panels allow you to have a working pump during daylight hours.
REAL CHOICES, a company in California (mentioned in this article) sells a complete Solar-powered water pump system, including two solar panels, mounting racks, controller, and 24 volt submersible pump for about $1895. You will still need a large water storage tank, because the pump only works in the daytime. A 500-1000 gallon tank will be $400-600. These tanks are hard to find. Call HANCOR at 1-800-FOR PIPE.
If you install the tank higher than the water lines in your house, you will have year round water pressure. If not, install a small (12v or 24v) demand pump and battery to pressurize your water lines. REAL GOODS has a solar panel for $175 that will keep the 12 or 24 volt system running year round. This is an expensive system, but you will have water when no one else does.
If you purchase the OPTIONAL BATTERY PACKS, you can store power and run the pumps at any time. SOLAR PANELS produce DC output, so special motors are most efficient. If you use an existing 230v AC pump, it will require a huge number of Solar panels which few people can afford (about $20,000).
FUEL POWERED pumps - Gas, Diesel, LP Gas. A possibility, but not very practical for the LONG haul. Gasoline tends to gum up and go stale after a few months. ANY FUEL would have to be bought and STORED in HUGE QUANTITIES (thousands of gallons) to be helpful for more than a few weeks or months. That adds the need for large STORAGE TANKS. ($100s more). You can get 55 gallon drums inexpensively (sometimes free) in most areas.
There are additives on the market (i.e., Stabil - available at Walmart or Autozone) that will prolong the storage life of gasoline. Without these additives, gasoline develops a cruddy buildup in the bottom of tanks and carburetors. Stabil is going to cost roughly $8.95 per 80 gallons of gas if you buy the large bottles.
Gas engines can be converted to run off your larger propane tanks. Keeping the oil levels up will be the challenge. Diesel generators are well fitted for prolonged operating. Diesel fuel is less expensive than gasoline, and diesel engines can run almost indefinitely.
If you live in a state where land owners have natural gas rights available, you should consider a natural gas well and power generators.
HAND PUMPS. Excellent for shallow wells (less than 75-100 feet deep) but VERY LIMITED in practical terms. You will have to HAUL WATER in buckets every day. All household uses will become real CHORES. Not practical for toilets, washing, bathing or showers. You really need to consider Solar power or RAM pumps.
Old-timers used to build their kitchen cabinet over the well, so the hand pump sat on the counter. Good idea!
WINDMILLS are a clsssic answer to water delivery. They use the wind to pump water day and night. However, much of the Southeast has precious little wind. Some areas may not furnish a reliable supply of wind for large demands.
Windmills are available commercially in a wide variety of prices. There are dozens of vendors on the Internet. Prices generally range from $1200 to $3000. That doesn't include installation, and you will need a well. If you're not on the Internet, try Big Country Windmills, Maxwell, Nebraska, (Main Office, Warehouse) (308) 582-4451
Water STORAGE: Water tanks can solve several dilemmas. You need water pressure in the house for sinks, toilets, showers, etc. If you have a large WATER STORAGE TANK in the attic or on the roof, you will have pressure. The requirement is that you have a pump to pump the water into the TANK frequently. This can be done every few days by turning on a fuel powered pump, or a solar powered pump.
We picked up a dozen large plastic storage tanks for a few bucks. They can be connected with a little plumbing know-how. Put spouts and hoses between several small tanks to make a large reservoir.
A GREAT RESOURCE for Water Tanks is http://www.watertanks.com on the Internet. Call them at 1-888-742-6275 for a catalog. They also have a number of other Y2K supplies.
Another possibility is to build or buy a CISTERN for collecting rainwater from your roof or a shed. Put up gutters on any roof you have, and run them into a storage tank. The water will have to be filtered well for drinking, but is an excellent back-up supply. watertanks.com (above) has several containers that would be suitable for this.
ADVANTAGES OF RECREATIONAL VEHICLES (TRAVEL TRAILERS) in Y2K
There are many valuable features to a travel trailer in a survival situation. Add a solar-powered water well and a solar array to your battery and you are really in business.
First of all, it was designed and built for use whenever ordinary utility hookups are not available. For instance, an RV has a water storage tank on it. You can pour water from any source into the storage tank and use it for bath/shower and toilet. If it is reasonably good water, you can put a water filtration device on your kitchen sink faucet and you will have clean water to drink, even if it came from a pond or creek.
Secondly, a travel trailer has a 12 volt electrical system. Using only a battery, you will have a WATER PUMP to pressurize your water lines - a wonderful convenience in Y2K. It will also provide you with LIGHTING - another luxury in Y2K.
Thirdly, a travel trailer uses PROPANE heating and cooking. If you bury a 500 gallon LP Tank nearby, you will have many months, maybe longer of cooking and heating. If you use it sparingly (cook outdoors with wood in good weather), the propane will be a real treat. In addition, an RV central heater uses a 12 volt BLOWER, so you will have CENTRAL HEAT when most folks dont.
Fourth, you can purchase a SOLAR PANEL Package for RVs that will keep your battery charged indefinitely. What a luxury!
Fifth, RVs have their own SEWER HOLDING TANKS. If you keep a supply of YEAST (Ridex) on hand, and drain the holding tank occasionally, you will eliminate the need for a SEPTIC TANK.
Sixth. RVs have PROPANE POWERED refrigerators. Most people are going to be stuck with NO REFRIGERATION in Y2K. This will be one of the most valuable luxuries.
DISADVANTAGES OF RVs:
Wood Stoves can't be used in most cases - not enough room, no ventilation.
MOBILE HOMES
Faster than building a house. Most mobile home dealers will finance the trailer, the lot, the water well, the septic tank and maybe even the solar power system in the same mortgage. Worth considering.
Equip your mobile home with a wood-burning fireplace, or better - a wood-burning cook stove. Youll need a septic tank and water supply. If a septic tank isnt available, there are composting toilets on the market, as well as chemical toilets (like in RVs).
ALTERNATE SHELTERS
As outlandish as it may sound, especially in the case of those who have very little financial resources, a PORTABLE STORAGE BUILDING will make a fine shelter. A 12X24 building can be insulated and paneled, and a wood cook stove added, and you can survive right well. It will be at least as nice, or moreso, than the old-timers country cabins. For $2000, anybody can have a house.
You will still need an outhouse, or a portable potty, a source of water and wood, and a place to garden.
WHAT ABOUT MORTGAGES?
NO question, paying cash for land is the best, if you have the money. You have the deed, and nobody can repossess you.
However, when Y2K crashes, EVERY MORTGAGE in America will be in default. Every mortgage company will be into bankruptcy in short order. People cant pay, companies cant collect. WHO KNOWS WHAT WILL HAPPEN??
It is unlikely that mortgage lenders will be able to repossess everybody. At least for a long time. Hopefully, you will be able to ride it out. Not only that, but there wont be a real estate market in a crash. No buyers. Only sellers. The risk of being run off your property is relatively low in a real crash.
There have been many discussions about running up credit lines and credit cards prior to Y2K, knowing that lenders wont be able to collect. It is a controversial subject one I am going to leave alone for now.
Power
Solar power.
Solar panels can collect the suns rays and convert them into electrical current. Each panel only outputs a small amperage, but multiple panels multiply the output exponentially. Each panel multiplies the output. It will be in DC (direct current).
In a residential application, INVERTERS change the DC to AC (as in 110). It is less efficient than 12 volt however, and it is good to use as many 12 volt lights and appliances as possible. You can buy 12 volt fixtures at any RV store or even at some Wal-Mart stores, in the automotive department.
Every panel you add increases your comfort and livability.
You will not have 220 Volt electricity in a solar powered system, so say goodbye to air conditioning and clothes dryers.
Until the lights actually go out, you can install a HYBRID system that allows you to take as much current as your solar panels produce, and add your 220 from the Power Company. If your panels produce more than you need, the power company actually will pay you for any power you add to the grid. A hybrid system is more expensive however, and if you are planning on being self-sufficient, you might consider NOT hooking up to the power company at all.
A solar system requires good exposure to the sun year-round. A southern exposure, with a clear horizon, is needed especially in the winter when the sun never goes very high in the sky.
All the power that is generated by your panels is fed into a bank of BATTERIES (deep cycle 12 volt, similar to those used in boats and on large engines). The batteries provide continual services 24 hours a day, even when the sun has disappeared. Solar panels collect power even on overcast days (less than normal). Every little bit keeps a trickle charge on the batteries.
You will need to learn to conserve energy. REFRIGERATION may not be available on all solar systems, since it pulls so many amps.
A special, low-powered refrigerator is desirable, or alternately, a PROPANE refrigerator, like those in RVs. There is a SOLAR POWERED REFRIGERATOR on the market for under $1000 dollars. That would be a WISE investment! It would not make any demands on the rest of your system, freeing up amperage for other electrical needs.
One supplier I have just discovered, Solar Electric, has SMALL solar systems starting at about $200-$300. I'm talking nothing but 12 volt lights and MAYBE a small RV refrigerator. For around $600, you may have a 110 electrical outlet with a MINIMAL amperage/wattage for a small appliance.
Make a list of all the essential electrical devices you will need to survive. Add up the total WATTAGE of these items to determine how much solar power you will need. A typical cabin requires at least 2400 watt/hours per week. That is on a very limited usage household. Costs for a basic system can quickly add up to the $5000 to $10000 range.
PLEASE NOTE: IMPORTANT RESOURCE FOR YOU!
Real Goods catalogue
Contains a HUGE selection of SOLAR, WIND, WATER POWER products.
Also has WOOD BURNING Hot Water Heater Propane Refrigerators Unique survival appliances, Valuable Handbooks and one-of-a-kind items. Books on how to set up power sources.
I HIGHLY RECOMMEND this catalog.
Call 1-800-919-2400, ask for RENEWABLES catalog (express shipping)
Or email techs@realgoods.com
Or visit their website at http://www.realgoods.com
For other resources, search the Internet. If youre not on the Internet, go to the Library and search the Thomas Register for products you need.
Batteries - Solar powered battery chargers are available for $14.95 that charges TWO BATTERIES at a time. You should consider buying SEVERAL of these chargers to keep all your small appliances and electrical devices working continuously.
Buy batteries by the cases. There are some NICAD rechargeable batteries that last for years if they are managed properly. Study the literature on NICADS, and manage them carefully for LONG life.
BAYGEN radios and lanterns are MECHANICALLY powered. Wind up the crank and you have LIGHT and RADIO for one hour. A definite MUST. $69 to $149.
Heating and Cooking - wood stoves are the natural choice for Y2K, especially if you have timber on your property. An old fashioned pot-bellied stove will be a luxury you cant afford to be without. Even better would be a stove with a cook-top. These dont come cheaply. I saw a full-sized one at a flea market for $600, but bought a pot-bellied stove at an antique store for $200. If you find it, DON'T PASS IT BY. You probably won't get a second chance. New ones are much higher.
Lehman's, an Amish, non-electric catalogue, has everything for the old-fashioned life-style. Their wood-burning kitchen stoves are usually around $1400, but run as high as $3000+. Lehman's can be found on the internet at http://lehmans.com/ or contact them at P.O. Box 41, Kidron, OH 44636, Telephone: (330) 857-5757, E-mail: getinfo@lehmans.com Every survivalist needs a Lehman's catalogue!
Better start collecting firewood now. Cordwood should be kept out of the rain. If you plan on using a chain-saw, better store up plenty of GAS and OIL. Otherwise, buy crosscut saws and sharpening devices. Get a tree-hook for dragging timber.
Hardwoods are best. Soft woods for kindling. Learn which woods are good for cooking. Some leave foul tastes on food, and foul odors in the house. Hickory, oak, mesquite are best. Soft woods leave creosote in chimneys. Buy chemicals for your stove or fireplace that will melt the creosote out.
Coleman-type stoves, camp stoves, sterno fuels, etc., are all out of the question for long-term applications. First of all, their fuels are expensive and short-lived. Secondly, most produce carbon monoxide, and cannot be used indoors. Same thing is true with Coleman-type lanterns. Charcoal briquettes are good to have while they last, but again, cannot be used indoors.
There are triple-wick candles that double as a food-cooker, with metal rack for pots or pans to sit on.
PROPANE is inexpensive right now, if you have a large tank (500 gallons or more). It could last a few months or longer if you use it sparingly. Consider burying the tanks for security. Also consider extra tanks.
If your home has COAL or OIL heating, better stock up in advance. Supplies will quickly disappear.
Lighting
Not all candles are the same. One of the best Ive seen is a 100+ hour candle for $3.49 from CSIN, (406) 293-8121, PO Box 538, Libby, MT 59923
Oil lanterns are a classic solution. Try dollar stores. Buy plenty of oil.
You may like kerosene lanterns. Kerosene or white gas can be bought in 55 gallon drums from the local gas distributor. The better quality your fuel, the longer the wick will burn. Cheap oil burns faster.
Battery powered lanterns will be OK if you have plenty of solar powered battery chargers. At least, flashlights will be available for emergencies.
12 volt lighting, as already mentioned, is desirable in the home, directly off the solar system.
Bee Keeping
Bees are a great source of WAX for candles, and of HONEY for sugar replacement. Get some bees. They are good for your garden too. Nationwide, there is a dearth on bee populations. Having your own bees helps assure you of a good garden. A complete bee-keeping setup, including hood, gloves, hives, medicines, and handbook is $125. From Blossomland, on the net at http://www.blossomland.com/html/beekeeping.html
Gardening If you are an experienced gardener, congratulations! If you are not, youd better get some gardening books NOW and start reading them.
Rule number one. Dont by hybrid seeds. Modern seeds have been genetically engineered to resist pests and diseases, but there is a serious drawback. They are sterile they wont grow a second years crop. Seeds from a hybrid garden will not grow another garden. Bummer! Get Non-hybrids. Old fashioned seeds cost more and are harder to find, but they are the only real option for Y2Kers. The Ark Institute has a full year supply of non-hybrid seeds in = lb and 1 lb cans for $159. Lots and lots of vegetables and fruit seeds. Check them out at http://arkinstitute.com
Another great source we have used is Willhite Seeds. Their catalog is spectacular and they have both hybrid and non-hybrid (open pollinated) seeds. Find them at http://www.willhiteseed.com or call them at 1-800-828-1840 and ask for their catalog. Their service is fast, and their packaging is impressive.
Study organ
-- Ed (ed@lizardranch.com), February 21, 1999