Can anyone give a citation for the total number of federal government systems? Milne gave the figure of 75,000, placing the "mission critical" batch at about 9% of the total.

Can anybody back this up with documentation? I'm writing an article.

-- Franklin Journier (ready4y2k@yahoo.com), January 22, 1999

Answers

Kicking this up to Most Recent Posts.

-- Franklin Journier (ready4y2k@yahoo.com), January 22, 1999.

I'm with you on this request for citation. I asked in the posts yesterday if Paul could mention where this figure had originated. Mr. Milne?

-- Brett (savvydad@aol.com), January 22, 1999.

The number is correct, generally. I believe it's actually 73,000 or close. That was the number used by Koskinen & I believe Willemsen at the Washington DC Year 2000 Group meeting last September.

-- Drew Parkhill/CBN News (y2k@cbn.org), January 22, 1999.

ooops... came across something in my notes to indicate the number might be 59,000, rather than 73,000... but for some reason, 73,000 came to mind... maybe my addled brain (70+ hours per week at this) was thinking of the former number of 7,336 mission-critical systems (i *know* that one is right), which is now down to 6,996...

you're probably best to check with the GAO or maybe OMB...

exhausted drew

-- Drew Parkhill/CBN News (y2k@cbn.org), January 22, 1999.

I've also seen 73,000 used in various places but can't recall any specific citations. In addition to checking with OMB and GAO, you might also check "Federal Computer Weekly."

-- Don Florence (dflorence@zianet.com), January 23, 1999.

Arrrggghhhh! I need a citation!!!

I've looked, folks, really. I'm not just expecting somebody else to do my work.

The best lead I have is the Washington D.C. Y2K Group meeting at which John Koskinen spoke. Does anyone know if there is a transcript of the speech anywhere?

Really, this is a very important citation for all of us. If 75k or 73k is true then Koskinen is strutting around saying "Hey, we're actually gonna have 8% of our total systems ready by March 31, 1999 after three years of work." Big Deal!

-- Franklin Journier (ready4y2k@yahoo.com), January 23, 1999.

Franklin,

You have asked a simple question and I cant find a simple answer. I think youll have to e-mail government CIO or IT people to find your statistic. Here are some places I skimmed quickly that may help. -- Diane

Federal Government's Y2K Reports

http:// www.itpolicy.gsa.gov/mks/yr2000/us.htm#omb

Or ...

Federal Government's Gateway for Year 2000 Information Directories

http:// www.itpolicy.gsa.gov/mks/yr2000/y2khome.htm

Or ...

Chief Information Officers Council Committee on Year 2000 web site

http:// www.itpolicy.gsa.gov/mks/yr2000/cioy2k.htm

Or ...

Federal Statistics

http://www.fedstats.gov/

Or ...

U.S. Senate Y2K Links

http://www.senate.gov/ ~y2k/index.html

Or ...

Office of Management and Budget (OMB)

http:// www.whitehouse.gov/WH/EOP/omb

Or (at least try contacting these people) ..

ADDRESSES: Address comments to the Ed Springer, Desk Officer, Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs (OIRA), OMB, 725 17th Street NW, Room 10236, New Executive Office Building, Washington, DC 20503. E- mail comments may be submitted to Edward_C._Springer@omb.eop.gov. Please include the full body of the comments in the text of the message and not as an attachment. Please include the name, title, organization, postal address, and E-mail address in the text of the message. (Comments should also be addressed to the Office of Federal Financial Management at the address listed below.)

FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: F. James Charney, Office of Federal Financial Management, Office of Management and Budget, (202) 395-3993 (E-mail Fredrick_J._Charney@omb.eop.gov). The standard forms can be obtained via fax by calling OMB's FAX Information Line (202-395-9068). The forms can also be downloaded from the OMB Grants Management home page (http://www.whitehouse.gov/WH/EOP/OMB/Grants).

Or ...

Report doesnt seem to mention total number of federal computer systems:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/WH/EOP/OMB/Testimony/19980622- 6268.html

JUNE 22, 1998 G. EDWARD DESEVE ACTING DIRECTOR DEPUTY FOR MANAGEMENT

HOUSE GOVERNMENT REFORM AND OVERSIGHT SUBCOMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT MANAGEMENT, INFORMATION, AND TECHNOLOGY

Federal Government's Efforts to Address the Year 2000 Problem

Or ...

Getting Federal Computers Ready for 2000 Report of the U.S. Office of Management and Budget February 6, 1997

http://www.whitehouse.gov:80/WH/EOP/OMB/html/miscdoc/ 2000report.html

Or ...

GSA sponsored year 2000 home page (very hard to read -- contact Tokey Bradfield tokey.bradfield@gsa.gov) at

http://www.itpolicy.gsa.gov

Or ...

Federal Computer Weeklys Y2K info:

http://www.fcw.com/ ref/hottopics/y2k.htm

FCW Article (E-mail the reporter?)...

DECEMBER 8, 1998

OMB reports 61% of federal systems Y2K-compliant

http://www.fcw.com/ ref/hottopics/y2k.htm

Federal Year 2000 cost now pegged at $6.4 billion

BY ORLANDO De BRUCE (orlando_debruce@fcw.com)

More than 60 percent of federal computer systems are now Year 2000- compliant, according to the Office of Management and Budget's quarterly Year 2000 report released today.

Of the 6,696 mission-critical systems identified by agencies, 61 percent are Year 2000-compliant compared with 50 percent in August. OMB has set March 1999 as the deadline by which agencies should have all systems fixed, tested and installed. OMB says agencies are developing contingency plans for systems that are not expected to be fixed by March. ...

Or ...

http://www.whitehouse.gov/WH/EOP/OMB/Special_Emphasis/ mgtobj.html

In 1/98, the Chief Information Officers Council published a Government-wide IT plan to define an interoperable Federal information architecture, ensure security practices that protect government services, lead the Federal year 2000 conversion effort, establish sound capital planning and investment practices, improve the skills of the Federal workforce, and build relationships and outreach program with Federal organizations, industry, Congress, and the public. Recommendations in each of these areas will be implemented throughout 1998 and 1999. The plan, including its recommendations, is available at www.cio.fed.gov.

Or ...

Read that International Association of Emergency Managers report (I thought I remembered seeing some info in there?):

ftp:// ftp.iaem.com/pub/iaem/IAEM_Bulletin_Y2K.pdf

The Presidents Cabinet:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/WH/Cabinet/html/ cabinet_links.html

Federal Agencies and Commissions:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/WH/ Independent_Agencies/html/independent_links.html

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), January 23, 1999.

More details but not precisely what you want either. Frustrating!!! -- Diane

The Office Of Management and Budget (OMB)

7th Quarterly Report -- Progress on Year 2000 Conversion -- Data as of November 15, 1998 -- Issued December 8, 1998

http://www.cio.gov/ decdraft6.htm

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), January 23, 1999.

In another thread Diane wrote:

< Did you ever find the info for the total .gov computer count? I'm still wondering. >

Nope. Spent well over an hour at the OMB site. No dice. The only good lead I have says that Koskinen said this at the Washington D.C. Y2K Group meeting. Are there minutes to that event anywhere?

This seems like a no-brainer, but it's not. I'm going to keep bouncing this thread to the top of the list every couple of days until we get to the bottom of this.

-- Franklin Journier (ready4y2k@yahoo.com), January 25, 1999.

Franklin,

I'll hunt more tomorrow. It seems the other place to look is the GAO, General Accounting Office. They are always putting out booklets.

Use your e-mail power too.

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), January 25, 1999.

I'm sending off a 10,000 word Y2K piece to my editor today. I still cannot find documentation of the total number of federal systems. Now answers back yet from e-mails, no additional leads.

I still think this is a really important number. There's got to be somebody out there who has seen documentation for this. Anyone?

-- Franklin Journier (ready4y2k@yahoo.com), January 28, 1999.

Franklin, Diane -

Isn't it interesting that although "they" are in a frantic rush to complete everything, and are promising "All will be complete by March 30, 1999" and "We are confident of ...." .....that it is impossible, even with the greatest of effort looking at all available information available, to figure out just how _many_ systems the federal government actually has?

However, notice that "everybody" in charge is absolutely confident that they know that only a little more than 6,900 are critical, and that every one of these will finish in time.

Now, think about that for a few minutes, and figure out how many "missed" federal systems (critical or not) are not going to get fixed, becasue people don't know they are being used in the background, being called by more visible programs.

-- Robert A. Cook, PE (Kennesaw, GA) (cook.r@csaatl.com), January 28, 1999.

For WDC Y2K meeting info, try Cory at:

kiyoinc@ibm.NET

Chuck

-- Chuck, night driver (rienzoo@en.com), January 29, 1999.

Franklin,

Sorry, couldn't find the number. VERY curious, Robert.

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), January 29, 1999.