Egan Lies Again In CSY2K

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Robert Egan has repeatedly distorted and twisted news stories in his posts in CSY2K. Below is his post and my response. You judge for yourselves. Go to the article and read it. Egan read it. And what he got out of it was the title to his post:

"Nearly 90% of large firms are ON or AHEAD of schedule...."

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England: Nearly 90% of large firms are ON or AHEAD of schedule.... Author: Robert Egan Date: 1999/01/19 Forum: comp.software.year-2000

In article <36A46C38.47131337@nospam_allowed.ix.netcom.com>, egan263@nospam_allowed.ix.netcom.com wrote:

> According to the Director of Task force 2000, more than one in ten major > firms are behind schedule. > > http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/99/01/17/stibusnws01010.html?1733620 >

Now, Lets take apart this EGREGIOUS LIE bit by bit. JUST WHAT IS IN THE REPORT ITSELF.

Here is the very first line of the page that the LIAR Egan quotes:

"ALMOST half of Britain's top 1,000 companies look set to fail in their attempts to prepare for the millennium computer bug. "

Now, does that even REMOTELY square with the title Egan posted here?

"Re: England: Nearly 90% of large firms are ON or AHEAD of schedule...."

Does it. Does half look ready to fail look like 90% are on schedule? Does it. Egan is a bald faced LIAR caught once again.

Then, does the article stop there? No. Now it reports that 45% of companies have not even finished an assessment of embedded systems.

"Taskforce 2000, an independent adviser on the problem, and Dibb Lupton Alsop, the law firm, are expected to reveal on Tuesday that about 45% of the companies have failed to complete an inventory of embedded computer chips in their organisations, which means they are a long way behind schedule in solving the problem. "

The it has more bad news....

"The largest survey into business and the bug, conducted by Business Strategies, a forecasting consultancy, is also expected to reveal that just 44% of companies have spent more than 60% of their millennium time bomb budgets and that 10% of companies did not even start tackling the problem until last year. Robin Guenier, Taskforce 2000's director, has long said almost the entire budget should have been spent by now to allow time for testing and further remedial work before the clock strikes midnight on December 31. "

The budgets that have been spent indicate a grievous lack of enough work being done.

But Egan has rendered the impression that 90% of British firms are in good shape. Nothing could be further from the truth.

So where does Egan get this from?

"Guenier said: "I have always been sceptical of the government's view that this is not a problem for big business. More than 1 in 10 businesses in our survey are behind schedule. "

Does *MORE* than 1 in 10 mean that 90% are on schedule ? NO. It does not. The survey indicates what the companies are saying. They say that they are on schedule. THE FACTS SHOW OTHERWISE.

Egan has lied again. Not made an error. Has LIED.

This report makes ABUNDANTLY clear that an EMERGENCY situation exists and Egan represents it as 90% are doing well.

Here is Guinier from another article: "But on Tuesday - seven months later - Robin Guenier of Taskforce 2000 said British companies were not doing, or spending, enough."

"The Government has been saying for over a year that big business is on course," he said.

"This survey shows that this is not so. Therefore, as most observers agree that small business and the public sector are in trouble, the British economy is facing an emergency."

http://www.itn.co.uk/Business/bus19990119/011902bu.htm

This is TEXTBOOK Pollyanna revisionism. Egan is a LIAR. No mincing words. He is a calculating bald faced LIAR. He has ripped asunder one part of this article and represented it as the overall shape of England in the remdiation.

Here is the Title of the article as the AUTHOR wrote it:

"Top firms neglect planning to fight 2000 bug"

Here is Egan's VOMITOUS SPIN:

"Re: England: Nearly 90% of large firms are ON or AHEAD of schedule...."

The objective truth and message that was conveyed was that England is way behind. Egan represents it as EXACTLY the opposite.

There are no two ways about it. Egan is a LIAR. He had his FULL CHOICE of lines to rip out of that article. Did he take out the ones that said they were terribly behind? No. He took out the part of the survey based upon self-reporting.

This is why there is so much mis-information out there. Because people like Egan refuse to listen to the whole truth and distort and twist articles to suit their pernicious purposes.

There is no way that any honest person could read that article and walk awya with the conclusion that most of England was on track. And only a LIAR like Egan would represent it that way.

> Regards > Robert Egan > -- > To reply by email: remove nospam_allowed. >

Paul Milne If you live within five miles of a 7-11, you're toast.

If you can walk away from reading that article and say to yourself,"Self, 90% of England's firms are on or ahead of schedule," then you are a mental cripple. And if you can not see how people like Egan INTENTIONALLY distort the articles, you are still a mental cripple. This is not about who's 'view' is correct or not. It is about taking an article that tells us how badly England is doing and distorting it to say that 90% or better are on track. It is deceitful and it is a manifest lie.



-- Paul Milne (fedinfo@halifax.com), January 19, 1999

Answers

Paul,

-- Nigel Arnot (nra@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk), January 20, 1999.

Try again - I hit some wrong key.

Paul,

I gave up reading CSY2K because the "noise" (mainly interpersonal bickering) came to outweigh the signal by an unacceptably large factor.

What someone else has been saying about you on THAT forum should not be inflicted on THIS one.

If he's posting here, you're welcome to respond to his thread. If you want to initiate a thread, please don't do so in the form of a personal attack. It's plain bad manners!

PS in stricly factual terms, I'm sure you are right - no way are 90% of UK companies on or ahead of schedule.

-- Nigel Arnot (nra@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk), January 20, 1999.


Nigel - fair comments, but you have to applaud Paul Milne for catching out these liars. More power to him!!!

This spin doctoring will just get worse in the next year - we've all noticed the acceleration recently.

Just to muddy the waters a bit - (BTW I'm a Brit living in SFO / LA in California, watching the UK situation, may go back to take care of mum etc.) so the Egan post caught my eye on csy2k.

I replied to Mr. egan that he was mistaken and quoted a source... check this out, it is quite long... as you can see I changed the heading title as I thought Egan was pulling a fast one (lying...)

"From: Andy <2000EOD@prodigy.net> Subject: Re: 45% Of Britain's Top 1000 Businesses Haven't Even Completed Embedded Chip Inventory Yet Date: Tuesday, January 19, 1999 3:43 AM

Robert Egan wrote in message news:36A46C38.47131337@nospam_allowed.ix.netcom.com... >According to the Director of Task force 2000, more than one in ten major >firms are behind schedule. > >http://www.sunday- times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/99/01/17/stibusnws01010.html?1 733620 > > >Regards >Robert Egan >-- >To reply by email: remove nospam_allowed.

Really???

Then how can this be explained:-

http://www.cbn.org/y2k/insights.asp?file=990118m.htm

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45% Of Britain's Top 1000 Businesses Haven't Even Completed Embedded Chip Inventory Yet

http://www.sunday- times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/99/01/17/stibusnws01010.html?17 33620

(London Sunday Times)

This is not good news:

**ALMOST half of Britain's top 1,000 companies look set to fail in their attempts to prepare for the millennium computer bug.

**Taskforce 2000, an independent adviser on the problem, and Dibb Lupton Alsop, the law firm, are expected to reveal on Tuesday that about 45% of the companies have failed to complete an inventory of embedded computer chips in their organisations, which means they are a long way behind schedule in solving the problem.

**The largest survey into business and the bug, conducted by Business Strategies, a forecasting consultancy, is also expected to reveal that just 44% of companies have spent more than 60% of their millennium time bomb budgets and that 10% of companies did not even start tackling the problem until last year.

**Robin Guenier, Taskforce 2000's director, has long said almost the entire budget should have been spent by now to allow time for testing and further remedial work before the clock strikes midnight on December 31.

I will say again, as I have many times before, that Britain is supposed to be a Y2K leader. If this is the state of affairs there, what's it like in other countries???

Andy

Two digits. One mechanism. The smallest mistake.

"The conveniences and comforts of humanity in general will be linked up by one mechanism, which will produce comforts and conveniences beyond human imagination. But the smallest mistake will bring the whole mechanism to a certain collapse. In this way the end of the world will be brought about."

Pir-o-Murshid Inayat Khan, 1922 (Sufi Prophet)

"We're doomed I tell ye, doomed!"

Private Frazer, Dad's Army, Walmington-On-Sea Home Guard, 1939 (Undertaker)"

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To which Egan replied:-

"Simple. Task Force 2000 issued their obligatory Y2K scare story [sorry, that should read: press release]. Reporters call the top man in charge for confirmation and get the real facts behind the headlines.

Isn't it amazing what can be done with statistics?

Regards Robert Egan"

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To which I replied:-

">Simple. Task Force 2000 issued their obligatory Y2K scare story [sorry, >that should read: press release]. Reporters call the top man in charge >for confirmation and get the real facts behind the headlines. > >Isn't it amazing what can be done with statistics? >

Very frustrating I admit - and i'm sure it will get worse in the 180 working days we have left to fix everything :)"

In other words I accepted this at face value.

Paul Milne then accuses Egan of lying, see top of this thread.

Then Egan fires back:

"ROTFLMAO!

Again I must ask, is that the BEST you can do?

OK then Paul, let's just say 80% are on or ahead of schedule. Do you think for ONE MINUTE, that Guenier would have been staisfied with one in TEN. When he could have had one in FIVE being behind schedule?

If so, your stupidity has exceeded even my wildest expectations.

If it had even been 87% he would have had ONE in EIGHT being behind schedule. Do you think he would settle for ONE in TEN?

You'll have to better than that, oh master of obfuscation.

And speaking of lies, I never got a satisfactory explanation of yours. I can assume that you have prepared a properly weaselish defense or you wouldn't have bothered with this shot across my bow.

http://x13.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp? AN=431967067&CONTEXT=916798821.1887436931&hitnum=2

So let's hear it.

Regards Robert Egan"

I say again, this will get worse throughout the coming year.

Andy



-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), January 20, 1999.


Just an observation, that in my opinion as the case for Y2K optimisim gets unbelievably weak, its going to be very hard to distinguish a true-blue honest pollyanna from a troll.

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.com), January 20, 1999.

spin doctoring goes both ways

a la Milne:

Most companies won't be compliant, therefore the whole world will crash

-- spindoctor (spin@doctor.doom), January 20, 1999.



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