I've been watching some weird cris-crossing contrails since 10 a.m. here in Los Angeles. I woke up at 10 and when I looked out my window, there they were. And they I saw a new one forming, and then amother, and another. They formed gridiron patterns and then a couple of times the planes were heading for each other at an angle, creating an "X". Got out my telescope and determoned that the plane making them is NOT a regular commercial airliner. These planes are a bit smaller and flew very fast. The "smoke" is comming out of of both sides of the plane. This has been going on for the past 2 and a half hours.
Anyone knows what's going on??!!
-- DD (dd@home.worried), January 15, 1999
Answers
Is this for real? Someone posted a link last week to an article about
this. It said that people outdoors, under these jet trails, got sick;
those inside were ok.
Is it just someone's idea of a joke? -- If so, that's life on the
Web, & I can live with that; if not, then some weird shit is going on.
Either way I would REALLY like to know. Please someone, verify!
-- what's going on (not@aol.com), January 15, 1999.
Look here.
http://ens.lycos.com/ens/jan99/
1999L-01-12-01.html
-- Bill Sloan (sloan@flash.net), January 15, 1999.
Advice to DD: get your camera and take pictures. That's what I would
do, can't understand why no one has done so yet.
-- a (a@a.a), January 15, 1999.
FWIW, I have also noticed unusual criss-cross patterns over Iowa on a
couple of occassions in the past few weeks. Didn't really give it much
thought at time. Didn't get sick. Don't know anyone who did. Didn't
have a telescope so I can't tell you anything about the aircraft that
made them.
Most (but not all) contrails across this state are basically
east/west. A few flights out of/bound to Minneapolis are north/south
but the regular 'grid' pattern I saw was a bit unusual.
I'm curious but not overly suspicious or concerned. I'll chalk it up
to 'training exercises' unless other real evidence is forthcoming.
Do we have any ATC-knowledgeable among us?
-- Arnie Rimmer (arnie_rimmer@usa.net), January 15, 1999.
Stay calm. Just calm down now. Don't put on your little
aluminum-foil hat now (heh-heh!). It's just a military exercise in
weather control. So it might kill a few old people - don't you think
it's worth it in the long run? Like feeding orphans radioactive
lemonade: we won the cold war, so what are you complaining about?
You'd be speaking Russian right now if it wasn't for radioactive
orphans. Don't be so paranoid, Fox Mulder (heh-heh!).
Here's some more info:
MYSTERIOUS SPAYING SAID TO BE SECRET-MILITARY
OPERATION
The Environmental News Service
(http://www.ens.lycos.com) has a
follow-up to their report about multiple sightings around the U.S. of
massive grid-work patterns in the sky being created by fleets of jets
that fly back and forth and spray down a material that seems to
make people ill. (see
http://ens.lycos.com/ens/jan99/1999L-01-08-05.html)
In their follow-up [1], ENS interviews Thomas Farmer, an
ex-Raytheon Missile Systems engineer who's been tracking the
mysterious spraying incidents for over a year. Farmer has confirmed
that jets used to spray are Air Force jets, and he's made several
collections of the cobweb-like, or "angel hair," material the jets are
spraying out, which made him, just like many others, sick after
contact. It appears to be a substance used to seed (build) clouds.
ENS reports that Farmer is "fairly certain the contrail phenomena is
one part of a military weather modification weapons system." The
ENS report then observes that a sub- set of the military plan to use
weather as a weapon and create a "Weather Force," is massive
cloud-seeding that will work in with the HAARP antenna in Alaska,
which is the U.S. military's primary weather-weapons system, which
can exert effects on locations across the earth.
The openly-stated goal for the U.S. military is to "own the weather"
[2] by year 2025 and to thereby be able to bring target populations to
their knees by "storm enhancement," "storm modification," and
being able to "induce drought." [1] So rather than natural laws of
solar-heating and earth-rotation directing the weather, the weather
will be determined by who is pleasing or displeasing our military
masters, or then again, perhaps power does not really corrupt.
A U.S. military webpage [3] states that weather modification by the
military is intended to allow for "storm triggering/enhancement
using airborne cloud seeding." That military webpage also says:
"A global network of sensors provides 'weather warriors' with the
means to monitor and accurately predict weather activities and their
effects on military operations. A diverse set of weather modification
tools allows manipulation of small- to-medium scale weather
phenomena to enhance friendly force capabilities and degrade those
of the adversary. Many of the sensors required for this system are
assumed to be...part of the global information management system
(GIMS)..."
Apart from allowing for an Orwellian-weather tyranny,
military-weather control could lead to environmental catastrophe,
since the desire to exert control will conflict with and overpower
rational environment con- siderations, particularly if control is
directed under the cover of military secrecy. Deliberate large-scale
modification of the weather must be the most dangerous thing we
could do to our planet, and it appears that military-weather-control
planning is being done in secret, outside the realm of democratic
oversight, just where it needs to be for the worst outcomes!
[1] Read The Full Environmental News Service Report "Mystery
Contrails May Be Modifying Weather" (1/12/99):
http://www.ens.lycos.com/ens/jan99/1999L-01-12-01.html
[2] Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025:
http://www.au.af.mil/au/database/research/ay1996/acsc/96-025ag.htm
[3] Military Weather Analysis and Modification System:
http://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/volume4/chap03/b9_2.htm
After my first message on this topic one person replied saying the
grid pattern of contrails appeared in their area in Idaho and 13
people (mostly old) died shortly there after. Another person
responded saying they've seen unique grid-work contrail patterns in
Georgia.
From: Ian Goddard
-- E. Coli (nunayo@beeswax.com), January 15, 1999.
well, its sounds sinister...but look at the bright side - the
weatherman may actually be accurate for a change.
-- a (a@a.a), January 15, 1999.
Calm down D. Im quite sure they do LOTS of things we dont know
about.
Lets check out some of Es links first.
The other thread:
What the hell is going on in this country ?
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=
000NJm
-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), January 15, 1999.
Seems to me that Mother Nature kicked our butts for so many years
(from Cro Magnon times forward) that we hate Mother Nature's guts and
now we're on top so we're gonna knife Mother Nature in the
throat and go hurtling off the cliff together into the abyss.
-- Blue Himalayan (bh@k2.y), January 15, 1999.
The earlier story:
http://
ens.lycos.com/ens/jan99/1999L-01-08-05.html
Contrails Mystify, Sicken Americans
By William Thomas
SEATTLE, Washington, January 8, 1999 (ENS) - Contrails spread by
fleets of jet aircraft in elaborate cross-hatched patterns are
sparking speculation and making people sick across the United States.
Washington state resident William Wallace became ill with severe
diarrhea and fatigue after watching several multi-engine jets spend
New Year's day laying cloud lines in an east to west grid pattern. A
neighbor working outside came down with similar symptoms. But their
wives, who remained indoors, suffered no ill effects from the
inexplicable maneuvers which observers liken to high-altitude "crop-
dusting" by unidentifed multi-engine aircraft. ...
D, take note: ... their wives, who remained indoors, suffered no ill
effects.
Stay inside and take pictures.
Diane
-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), January 15, 1999.
Looks like nobody else is stepping forward, so I guess I'm elected to
be the voice of reason.
It's hard to reply seriously to such flagrant paranoia, but for
starters, how in the world is anything in a contrail at 30,000 feet
going to make you sick on the ground? By the time anything in the
contrail reaches ground level, it'll be in another time zone and
spread over three states. As for collecting spider-web like material,
same objection.
That aside, what does this have to do with Y2K? Why are we trying to
convince visitors that we're all lunatics here?
-- Ned (entaylor@cloudnet.com), January 15, 1999.
Ned, I just love weird stuff like this. Can you please point
us to an NG that has good people like here, but is open to any weird
topic ?
-- Blue Himalayan (bh@k2.y), January 15, 1999.
I have been watching these "planes" flying over So Cal for months...
lately they have been more frequent.
They do fly exceptionally fast and extremely high and the contrail
actually is made up of two contrails. They can literally go from
viewable horizon to horizon in about a minute and a half... figure
that out someone, please. In fact, they are so fast that the contrail
still remains AFTER the "plane" has flown out of sight.
Anyone able to do the math on that?
They've become so frequent that I now keep a pair of binoculars ready
to catch them flying across the sky. Maybe I'll grab my video camera
next time.
Mike
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-- Michael Taylor (mtdesign3@aol.com), January 15, 1999.
::I saw the same thing the other day here in Oklahoma close to Tinker
A.F. base; my son says he's been seeing them too.
-- Tony (heat@home.com), January 15, 1999.
I'm really having a hard time believing that anyone is taking this
seriously, and at the risk of making a fool of myself by explaining
the obvious...
When jet fuel burns, the principal products of combustion are carbon
dioxide and water. Since it is cold at high altitudes, the water
freezes into ice crystals, which, being the same material that clouds
at these altitudes are composed of, are white.
The products of combustion come out of the jet engines. It has been
found from long experimentation that having a jet engine on just one
wing makes the plane dangerously unstable, therefore, when you have
an engine on one wing, there is usually one on the other as well, and
this accounts for the two contrails.
The fact that a contrail stays there for a long time is no more
remarkable than that a cloud might stay there for a long time too. In
fact, if it lingers for such a long time at an altitude of six or
eight miles, don't you wonder how it could be simultaneously making
people sick on the ground?
-- Ned (entaylor@cloudnet.com), January 15, 1999.
The voice of reason -I- hear tells me to check on E.s article. The
voice of reason -I- hear tells me that a super-military power is super
hungry for power, and if it thinks up starwars, super laser weapons,
and already has the best gadgets in the world, it has thought of
harnessing the power of the weather for its artillery.
The voice of reason I hear tells me that this world has gone mad.
-- Chris (catsy@pond.com), January 15, 1999.
>The voice of reason I hear tells me that this world has gone mad.
At least for this little corner of it, I can't argue with you.
-- Ned (entaylor@cloudnet.com), January 15, 1999.
Ned... maybe you're just not paying attention...
I never said this was some strange craft, a UFO or what have you. Your
description of what makes up a contrail just makes the sightings more
valid.
If you haven't seen this then you shouldn't make snap judgements.
Southern California is home to many high tech, military programs,
military bases, etc. Southern California has had every kind of project
that has come out of the Skunk Works fly over it. The SR-71 "didn't
exist" either at one time but we all know very well it actually did.
If you read the initial post you wont find any reference to aliens,
spacecraft or what have you.
When I do get the video together I'll send you a copy.
Mike
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-- Michael Taylor (mtdesign3@aol.com), January 15, 1999.
Michael, you are quite right, you didn't claim they were UFOs. I was
referring to some particularly outlandish claims in one of E's links,
http://w
ww.ens.lycos.com/ens/jan99/1999L-01-12-01.html
My point is that there's absolutely nothing remarkable in planes
leaving contrails. I've seen them all my life, and so has everyone
else. What's the fuss?
-- Ned (entaylor@cloudnet.com), January 15, 1999.
Have any of you thought about photo reconsiance? I imagine that the
military will need recent maps of the "120" cities that they are being
charged with managing during the Y2K season.
Mike
-- Mike (justmike11@yahoo.com), January 15, 1999.
Ned,
For me, there is no fuss.
However, these contrails are different.
From my front porch I can look toward the San Bernadino mountains and
actually see planes on approach to LAX. Just to the south is Long
Beach Airport and commercial jets frequently fly over my home. There
are numerous smaller airports in the area as well. I've been up in
smaller craft and flown around the L.A. basin. I've flown out of LAX
many, many times.
The point is that it's very easy to find jets and planes in the sky
over L.A. It's even easier to understand the flight paths commercial
airliners must use in the area.
What I am watching in the sky is not a commercial jet.
Last weekend I watched what seemed to be a single "plane" fly back and
forth over Southern California about a dozen times. It was very high
and moving exceptionally fast leaving a contrail each time that
stretched from the horizon to horizon. It was much faster than a
commercial airliner. It could very well have been an F/A 18, F/14, who
knows...
DD... the bottom line is I have seen the same exact thing you have...
I saw it today... I cooberate what you saw.
Mike
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-- Michael Taylor (mtdesign3@aol.com), January 15, 1999.
What you are seeing is the newest highly classified military jet spy
plane AKA tha 'Aurora'. It is not wise to talk about this subject
because... I'll be right back, someone is at the door.
-- Uncle Deedah (oncebitten@twiceshy.com), January 16, 1999.
It's me again. I've read all of the replies so far. Now that I'm not
in such a hurry to write a message, I'll expand a bit.
Okay, first of all, let me say that I have plenty of experience
observing the sky. I'm what some of you might call a "stargazer," so
I've seen all kinds of cloud formations and natural atmospheric
phenomena, some of which some of you may have never heard about. I've
also seen tons of contrails. Ned, trust me, the ones I saw this
morning were very unusual. First, they were double. Second, the
planes making them were not regular commercial planes. Third, I have
never before seen the grid and "X" patterns they formed (for what
purpose?)
Finally, and as Mike Taylor said, there are several airports in and
around L.A. I'm quite familiar with the planes flightpaths because I
have an excellent south-facing view from my window (which is always
open). These planes were flying NW to SE and back, with some planes
flying almost perpendicularly to cross the existing contrails. That't
why I thought they were very unusual. I couldn't tell if the contrails
were from horizon to horizon because I couldn't see the north sky, but
they were going all the way to my southern horizon. This activity went
on until about noon.
I must say, tho, I'm not familiar with different types of aircraft.
Just passenger jets, which I have flown quite often. If these planes
were military, I don't know what kind. But they were bigger than,
say, an F-15, and smaller than a 747.
Finally, yes, I did take pictures, which was pretty difficult at times
because the sun was shining so bright. Can't wait to show them to my
more aircraft-savvy friends.
I appreciate all the responses to this, particularly the links to the
articles. I was not aware other people had already reported about
this. What to make of this? I don't know. But if the military is
conducting some sort of training/recognizance exercise, I'd like to
know about it.
DD
-- DD (DD@home.wondering), January 16, 1999.
LOS ANGELES ENQUIRER: ALIEN NOUGHTS AND CROSSES GAME OVER CALIFORNIA
Over a hundred thousand concerned citizens today watched the skies, as
flying saucers and military aircraft -the flying saucers using
holographic disguise- fought it out in a tic-tac-toe tournament across
the skies of America...
-- Leo (lchampion@ozemail.com.au), January 16, 1999.
Nah Leo - it's "Celebrity Squares" - it is Hollywood after all :)
Seriously, check out
this link
for the latest scoop
-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), January 16, 1999.
If a correlation between the grid-laying overflights and illness on the ground overflown can be demonstrated, the question, "how can contrails laid at 30,000 feet reach the ground below?" may need rephrasing. Maybe these are not contrails (condensation of water vapor from combustion in the engines), but something else.
-- Tom Carey (tomcarey@mindspring.com), January 19, 1999.
Tom:
You could be onto something. And I really don't think the planes
altitude was 30,000 ft. Maybe 15 - 20,000 ?
-- DD (DD@home.puzzled), January 24, 1999.
Once again, Art Bell's radio show has left me quaking & shaking.
Art Bell's interview with William Thomas
-- Bingo1 (howe9@pop.shentel.net), January 26, 1999.
there are contrails like this over maryland every day when atmospheric
conditions are right for them to form
idiots
-- ? (.@...), January 26, 1999.
Hopi
Information Network
http://www.infomagic.com/~abyte/hopi/y2k/balance.htm
Yep, it says infomagic
Translation of the Hopi Prophecies sung in the film Koyaanisqatsi
If we dig precious things from the land,
we will invite disaster.
Near the Day of Purification,
there will be cobwebs spun back and forth in the sky.
A container of ashes might one day be thrown
from the sky, which could burn the land
and boil the ocean.
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-- Leska (allaha@earthlink.net), January 28, 1999.
Are U.S. Planes Spraying Chemicals?
MONDAY, FEBRUARY 22, 1999
Are U.S. planes spraying chemicals?
Widespread illnesses reported in wake of contrails
By Jon E. Dougherty, ) 1999 WorldNetDaily.com
Some people have respiratory problems. Others have mouth blisters.
Still others are chronically tired. Many people are suffering from a
combination of these illnesses, coupled with weight loss, burning
mouths and noses, hoarseness, dizziness and disorientation. And they
say their symptoms can last for days and even weeks.
Reports say hospital emergency rooms in some areas of the country have
been flooded with such patients, while talk radio programs have begun
to discuss the phenomenon at length. The Internet is abuzz with
theories, counter-theories, and any measure of explanation. But no
matter what aspect of the story is debated, more and more people are
beginning to dismiss the naysayers who insist it is nothing more than
an elaborate hoax. It's real, say the infected and affected -- and
it's getting worse. But what is going on?
Specifically, the focus of this mysterious "sickness" is centered
around the observance of contrails -- trails of gaseous substances --
left in the wake of jet planes flying high above certain areas of the
country. Observers on the ground have discovered, after several
"patterns" of contrails have been produced by numerous planes making
dozens of passes over an area, that a colorless web-like sticky
substance falls from the sky, often generating sickness for many who
come in contact with it. In other areas no such substance is reported,
but scores of people have become ill nonetheless, presumably because
the planes forming the contrail patterns are literally spraying some
sort of chemical in the air.
Sources who have followed the phenomenon for over a year have claimed
that the planes likely belong to the U.S. Air Force because of their
type. Those planes -- KC-135s and KC-10 aerial tankers -- have been
spotted "seeding clouds" -- a term used by the Air Force in ongoing
weather modification research. Officially the Air Force denies it is
involved in anything associated with the sightings, but some residents
who have seen the contrails have reported changes in the weather (such
as heavy rains) after the "seeding" is complete and the planes retire.
No one knows where the planes are coming from or where they land when
they're finished. However, one man says he is certain the phenomenon
is weather-modification related, and is equally sure the Air Force is
behind the testing.
Tommy Farmer, a former engineering technician with Raytheon Missile
Systems, has been studying the jet contrail phenomenon for over a
year, and he recently confirmed the number of reports coming in all
over the country to the Environmental News Service. In a recent
article, "Farmer said he has collected samples of what he calls 'angel
hair' sprayed by the mystery aircraft on six occasions since February
1998. Four samples have been taken since November 1998."
According to one source, who requested anonymity, one sample taken
supposedly contained elements of JP-8 -- jet fuel -- and Ethel
Dibromide (EDB), a pesticide which was banned years ago because
research showed prolonged exposure caused carcinogenic effects on
humans. The source also said that another reportedly contained
non-specific bacterial groups, but neither of these could be confirmed
independently by WorldNetDaily
Other researchers have speculated that the epicenter of the "sky
seeding" phenomenon is linked to an ongoing research project on
weather-modification techniques funded by the Air Force. The project
focuses on weather modification research and development, and the Air
Force says the military can find ways to "own the weather by the year
2025." According to that report, Air Force researchers said that the
United States military already retained the ability to control weather
patterns "to some degree" with a technique known as "cloud seeding" --
the dissipation of chemical elements into the sky in an effort to
produce a certain weather affect.
Continued research has shown that there may be a link between that
project and the High Altitude Auroral Research Project (HAARP) project
located in Alaska. The HAARP array, according to the Air Force and the
Navy, which is co-developing the project, "is not weather
modification," but is designed to influence jet streams and air
patterns, and theoretically could be used in conjunction with sky
seeding technology to produce a desired weather affect. According to
one published report, HAARP "has for the past several years been using
phased array antennas to steer powerful beams of tightly-focused radio
waves to 'stimulate,' heat and steer sections of the upper
atmosphere."
Reports have generated from Texas, New Mexico, Washington, Tennessee,
and some other states -- all reporting similar contrail patterns in
the sky and all reporting near-identical symptoms, suffered by a
number of people in the area, accompanied by the sticky web-like
residue.
One observer who contacted WorldNetDaily by email wrote, "We have been
bombarded almost everyday with jets leaving contrails grids in the sky
above us. I have never seen the spider web stuff really thick. It is
just really constant; it is always around us. In the sky and all over
the fences and trees."
Observers mostly report that jets make "X" patterns in the sky,
sometimes dozens of them, often causing near zero-visibility in the
sky and, in one case, "massive fog" on the ground. The planes are
almost always described as jets, but one observer said the jets in an
area in Texas were followed by "a smaller, thicker plane with
propellers; flying at a considerably lower altitude."
Debra Mahon spoke with WorldNetDaily by telephone from her home about
35 miles north of Dallas, Texas. She said she became ill earlier this
week with many of the same symptoms reported by others. Though her
voice was hoarse and labored -- effects of the sudden illness -- she
said the contrail phenomenon has been occurring in her area "for quite
awhile."
She also reported seeing "thousands" of web-like strands falling from
the sky after each "seeding." She described them as looking like
"spider webs in the spring, but they disintegrate into nothing in your
hand. They're not nearly as strong as real spider webs."
On a recent day, she and a friend were watching planes laying contrail
patterns when suddenly "one plane we were watching just disappeared.
We don't know where it went."
"I asked (my friend) if she had seen it too, and she told me she had
but also couldn't explain it. I was almost afraid to bring it up. It
is just so weird."
She said there was speculation among some who are analyzing these
incidents that perhaps the government is releasing a certain biotoxin
"in the hopes that you can build up an immunity against it, as if
they're expecting it to be spread by some other method -- like a
terrorist attack or something." She freely admitted she had no proof
of "any of this," but said she and many others she has been in contact
with "sure would like some answers."
She is not alone, but the phenomenon has not been officially
acknowledged by any service branch of the military, or by the U.S.
government. Calls to the Air Force were not returned.
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-- Leska (allaha@earthlink.net), February 22, 1999.
Leska,
I'm still seeing them here in So Cal nearly every day. Today the
weather is beautiful and we have warm, strong, gusty winds coming from
the desert (Santa Ana conditions). The planes and the contrails are no
where to be seen. There were out yesterday though criss crossing
across the sky.
Maybe it would just look too suspicious to try to manipulate weather
under todays conditions?
One thing has been bugging me. What if these exercises are to build
models for how a toxic cloud might move under various conditions?
Thinking about that along with all the Antrax scares has me a little
worried.
Thanks for the article!
Mike
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-- Michael Taylor (mtdesign3@aol.com), February 22, 1999.
Dang,..did E. Coli really leave the forum? This old post reminds me
because of his input. (drat)
Heard the Art Bell interview with some guy the other night on spraying
of toxic substances from jet aircraft...creating contrails that
STAY...opposed to the regular jet contrails that dissipate within a
minute. I have no factual info...only the Art Bell reference as a
reason for why this might become an issue.
BTW, the guy on the radio said that EVEN IF there was no toxic
spraying going on with jet contrails...the exhaust from jet fuel was
to be examined (of course) because of how the exhausted components of
jet fuel degrade.
-- Donna Barthuley (moment@pacbell.net), February 22, 1999.
Hi Mike & Donna, wish this weren't happening. For Pete's sake, can't
they leave the *sky* alone! Man has tampered with the natural beauty
& rhythm of the earth too much. Have never seen this contrail
monstrosity ourselves, prolly cuz we're shut-in most of the time. But
when free & not raining (the two don't seem to coincide), like to be
outdoors. If this report is true, it's sick sick sick. Spraying
sticky cobwebs of illness-producing pollutants? Does anybody have a
conscience anymore? Oops, end rant ;-)
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-- Leska (allaha@earthlink.net), February 22, 1999.
WOW !! Take a look at the picture in the link, read the above Hopi
prophesy -- what a match! Awesome! Graphite webs,
"A woman removes a web of graphite covering her house after it was hit
by a NATO "soft bomb" in last night's strikes on power plants near the
village of Veliki Crljeni, outside Belgrade. The bombs spread graphite
particles in the air, causing short circuts to a power grid."
Will somebody please paste that picture here now, fast!?? The
URL will be worthless in a day or two. That picture is worth 1000
prophesies!
New deadly NATO mistake
feared
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