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It would be really interesting to actually watch someone achieve a speed of 1500cm or higher on TF. I know that there was only 1 guy that legitimately can alternate his fingers in an ungodly manner. His name was Kelly and he has the world record of 95K and change. I myself have played many games with a joystick as a substitute for the buttons which I don't think is a method of cheating because it requires pursise timing otherwise it's no different in fact worse then using the buttons. My best score is around 93K and change and came close to 1500cm but never maxed it out or went over. A few friends of mine (Billy Mitchell-DK champ and a friend of his) back in the days hooked up a computer generated pulse to the buttons and was achieving speeds not to much higher then what that guy was getting. On some events, the computer did some ungodly results, like the high jump where they had the hight up to somewhere around 4.50 meters. You basically could jump between the bar and a space that formed once you reached hights above 2:52. If the inp is legit, then hats off to that guy who did it. So far, he has the 2nd highest score recorded in the world that I know of. Regards, SMK
-- Stephen Krogman (email@example.com), January 03, 1999
At least one person has been honest enough to comment they used one in their inp file for starforce:
"I had the game of my life on this one. Easiest difficulty. 5 lives I even got the hidden 1 million point Cleopatra. I made it to Level 20 I used a Nintendo NES Advantage Joystick with a convertor for turbo fire."
My personal opinion is that no form of auto-fire should be allowed to be used as this was not an option in the arcades. Of course there is no easy way to tell other than a feeling that its a humanly impossible shot-rate. Ok, so some people did produce rapidly vibrating do-dahs to hold over their fire button in the arcades but this still has to be considered cheating in my books.
PS: Did anyone else at MARP modify an electronic cigarette lighter such that the electrical spark came out a wire shoved down the lighter mechanism ?! I used to have one of these and it would trigger a "credit" if you sparked the coin slot with it. It also produced the unfortunate effect of inverting the screen on Galaga making for an interesting game. ;-))
PPS: I now with the knowledge of experience hate to think what this was doing to my beloved games but at the time it was one way to improve your scores without chewing through too much money. Don't get me wrong though, I have spent in the vicinity of $15000 to $20000 on arcade games over the years.
-- BeeJay (firstname.lastname@example.org), January 03, 1999.
Back in the days, a Coke would get me a full days of playing without spending a penny! At least on Nintendo games like DK, DKJR, and Popeye. I would buy a coke with a STRAW, and use it to get me unlimited credits by sticking it in the hinge slightly higher then the coin entry and just move it up and down hitting the credit switch! Another favorite was Galaga, a paperclip in the coin chute worked about 50% of the time. Really, all I needed was 1 credit and that would hold me over for good portion of the day! :) The lighter was a good one. Never heard of that one before. The reason why the screen would invert on Galaga, was because of the spark against the aluminum coin entry. Something similiar to this would be to walk up to a Galaga that's set up on a carpet, and while dragging your feet creating static, once you touched your quarter with the coin entry bezel, it would reset the game! I like to do this on redemption games which will spit out a ticket each time you do it! I've been doing it for about 14 years now, and still don't have enough tickets for that boom box I want! :)
-- Stephen Krogman (email@example.com), January 03, 1999.
I've never heard of the cigarette lighter trick before either, but it sounds pretty ingenious.. back in the days when vid games used to be a 'twenny' (thats 20 cents to U.S ppl) me and some mates would do anything to try and get free credits. We tried the straw and paperclip tricks with mixed results, on some older machines you could get away it. But we found out a 90% flaw proof plan for free credits that worked on a lot of slots. We'd get a twenty cent coin and drill a tiny hole in the upper corner, then thread a nylon fishing line through it and tie it around the hole. Then presto, you insert the coin into the slot and just as it reaches the triggering mechanism you pull it out again. I must have saved hundreds using this technique.. it lasted up until the early 90's when games started charging $1 and used a different type of coin slot.
-- JSW (firstname.lastname@example.org), January 03, 1999.
no autos, no cheats, no extras...just the joystick (mouse/wheel/paddle) and the necessary buttons...NO CONTINUES
someone said to me that my 1943 replays used autofires...hahahaha...i could push a fire button on that game for FOREVER!!! i need a prog to tell me how fast i can press it...make a graph thingy too to show output and stuff...techy specs...
and as for money spent on arcades ?
well...its more than i should have ^_^ maybe ? back in teh days, i remember when $1 would last me all afternoon!!! um, when i was sorta employed many years later...me and a friend used to hire machines out for weekends...mk2 was the most popular for us...we spent like over $1300 on that alone...including hiring...we hired alot of the big names...but overall i couldnt put a price on all my arcade money spending...well over $20000 tho...thats more money than id like to have spent!
jsw - twenny ? penga ? same thing :)
-- Krool (email@example.com), January 04, 1999.
-- Krool (firstname.lastname@example.org), January 04, 1999.
Woah, that must have been amazing to see that, do you know what kind of times they were getting in the 100m or what speed in the long jump.
Just another point on Phil Lamat's score, his skill and knowledge of the game were not that impressive in his recording. Most of that high score comes from pure speed, I reckon with a few hints and tips he could get over 100k. For example I think he only does about a 2.45 in the high jump, with mega speed he should be able to easily do over 2.55 which would earn extra 6000 points. Nobody have his email address so we can question him on it?
-- Dith (email@example.com), January 04, 1999.
If I can remember correctly, I think Billy said on the 100 meter dash, he was seeing times of around 4 sec. As for the Long Jump, I think he said he got up to around 11 meters.
Regards, Steve Krogman
PS I still think it's possible to use some kind of controller with turbo let's say, do good on the easy events, and then not so good on the events which require more skill. I know this game like the back of my hand, and if I had the capability of maxing out the powerbar, I would probably would be able to get 100K no problem. Once, I calculated my friends best times on each event he had written down over the course of 6 months. These times were achieved at different times and on different games but if he could of done it all in one game, it would of gotten him a score of 95,800 which would of beaten the world record by about 500K! 100K? I dunno. 1550+cm... I dunno. I'll have to experiment. :)
-- Stephen Krogman (firstname.lastname@example.org), January 05, 1999.
Wow 4 secs for the 100m that was some rapid pulse. If I take the scores of all my personal coin-op records it comes to a grand total of 100820.
I finally finished off my track and field page, thanks to those who commented during it's development. I just uploaded it today, it has lots of advanced tips and tricks plus scoring information so you can calculate what your score would be with all your records in one game. Please take a look and if you know anything else I can add then let me know. It's at www.dithsworld.cjb.net and while you're there you could also check out some of my games, including the unofficai coin-op conversion of Space Panic for the Atari ST. Haha, just a little plug for my hard work. :o)
Oh, by the way, I spoke to Phillipe Lamat. He said he's using a joypad and that speed was always his best point, with a 7.87sec record for the 100m. That's fast for a joypad.
Last thing, Steve are you still selling those homemade joysticks? Do you have anything that would be good for T&F, like just a couple of buttons?
Cheers all, Dith
-- Dith (email@example.com), January 05, 1999.
Actually, if you've seen the photo on the Twin Galaxies page, that's the one everyone's been interested in. Allthough I have sold a few basic 4 button joysticks as well. The Ultimate Joystix was made for players that wanted to have the exact feel for the original Defender, Stargate, and Robotron controls. MAME supports 1000 games +- this is only 3 of them (a few games play with the controls of 2 joysticks as well) That's why I say you can custom make what ever you want, but do you really need all the buttons? that's up to you. Right now, I have had to put the production line on a hault for a while because of 2 reasons (new job with Sega and redesigning the box that holds the controls) I figured I should be back online with it in the next few weeks. I allready have a few orders (or should I say 'rain checks') for my joysticks so far. I had one friend of mine bug me so much, I sold him mine! now I don't have anything to use but a dam keyboard!
Oh yea and as far as a perfect controller for Track n Field? my joystick worked like a dream. I had some really nice records, but still even with using a joystick in place of buttons, I couldn't max out the power bar. :(
Regards, Steve Krogman
-- Stephen Krogman (firstname.lastname@example.org), January 06, 1999.
HI ALL JUST SAW THIS KOOL SITE WELL IM FROM UK ENGLAND AND ME AND MY FRIEND WANT TO KNOW HOW TO MAKE THIS DEVICE AGES AGO WHEN WE STUDENTS WE HAD A FRIEND HE USED TO MAKE A DEVICE CALLED A CLOCKER WHAT IT WAS, WAS BASICALLY A COIN ATTACHED TO A GREEN KINDA WIRE AND HE WOULD PUT THE COIN IN THE INSERT AND BASICALY PULL THE COIN BACK OUT AND REAPET THE PROCESS TO GET LIKE 100 CREDITS IF HE WANTED I WANT TO KNOW HOW TO GET FREE CREDITS ON ARCADE MACHINES EG LIKE STREET FIGHTER AND STUFF SOME ONE PLEASE EMAIL ME A DEVICE MAKING DISCRIPTION OR DEVICE MAKING PLAN PLEASE !! OR TELL ME A WAY THAT WORKS HERES MY EMAIL AGAIN email@example.com THANX !!!
-- XxXdevilXxX (firstname.lastname@example.org), February 09, 2002.
Err...wouldn't it be easier to use MAME ? A hell of a lot of free credits available there.....
-- AL (email@example.com), February 09, 2002.