Any of you worried about the government coming and confiscating your supplies? What plans do you have in place stop them or anyone else from stealing or confiscating your goods?

-- Bardou (Bardou@baloney.com), November 11, 1998

Answers

If the local authorities want my generator for a hospital, I'll give it to them. If people around me are starving, I'll probably sell grain to them cheap - as far as it goes. Certainly, the EOs on emergency powers give the locals the authority to confiscate food - anything over a few week's supply per person, I belive. I'd let them do it if they were pointing a gun at my head; but that wouldn't be in their best long-term interests, with me or most others they try this with.

It's conceivable that "hoarding" certain items may be outlawed, and those selling certain everyday items arrested as "black-marketeers." Those with some historical consciousness, and those old enough to remember WWII, will know how this works. Of course, this was before local PDs had been trained in "dynamic entry" techniques by BATF, FBI, et al. Police of all types are militarized like never before, and no are effectively no longer subject to the U.S. Constitution. Everything, particularly agriculture and the food biz, is being consolidated and centralized, with the goal of making us all "interdependent." This is a globalist strategy. So the political and law-enforcement climates are different than during WWII, when people largely policed themselves, and your question isn't as silly as the uniformed might make it out to be.

E.

-- E. Coli (nunayo@beeswax.com), November 11, 1998.

E. I think your post needs Infomagics tagline:

"Of course I might be wrong, It could be worse"

ps - been lurking for months, always enjoy your posts, don't comment due to my extreem views. (Even you E., seem like an optimist to me.)

-- Greybear (greybear@home.com), November 12, 1998.

E & Greybear are my kinda people.

My sweet Baboo has finally seen the light about the monster generator and cancelled the order (praise be!!), but we still are in disagreement about one rather important matter...

I can easily envision squads of soldiers, police, instant deputies or sudden soldiers coming door to door to 'commandeer' useful supplies or tools. Okay, says husband, we give them some of our stash and they go away.

I picture a rough search of the premises, thorough or not so. But after they go away, they are still in the street, with armed 'guards' protecting us, and watching for any signs of 'trouble' or non- compliance with the new rules.

Armed protest to the new order will be dealt with quickly and in clear view of all. We'll be very lucky if we can stay in our own house.

And as far as the neighbors go... well, I've heard more than a few firsthand accounts from WWII about the 'friends and neighbors (even, in one case, relatives)' who were eager to turn in any "non-patriots" for a little ... what? Extra grain? Soap? A few fresh eggs?

I want to get the h*** out of here; even this small village is way to crowded for my comfort. A run-down old farmhouse looks good to me!

Americans have VERY little experience with Martial Law and what loss of personal freedom can mean. It could very well mean the loss of the freedom to see your kids, or your spouse...

I keep trying to believe my husband is absolutely right, that we'll be fine and all our preparations will see us through right here at home. It gets harder every day.

-- Arewyn (nordic@northnet.net), November 12, 1998.

It's been a long time since average Americans talked about having to face the choice of living on their knees or dying on their feet. One more "interesting situation" brought bluntly to you courtesy of y2k.

For the record, if I'm the only one picked on and no one nearby helps, that will be what we call 'an indicator.' Remember Pastor Niemoller (spelling?) from the Nazi era- "First they came for the Jews and I wasn't a Jew... " and so on. If everyone huddles into voluntary victim status, everyone will get victimized. If even a few resist, it will likely be viewed as an unprofitable effort by would- be victimizers. Reaching for another Nazi era metaphor, it took the German army weeks longer to 'take' the Warsaw Ghetto than it did to overrun the entire rest of the country of Poland- and it was their intent to kill everyone in the Ghetto anyway. Only a small handful of totally untrained and pitifully armed people held the German army at bay. Everyone has to follow the dictates of their own conscience. But remember- if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the PROBLEM.

nemo...

-- nemo (nemo@deepsix.com), November 12, 1998.

Is there a solution, nemo? Husband says greeting 'round-up party' with deterrents at the ready is the solution. Enough of that and the 'parties' will stop.

We've tried to raise awareness in our community, officially and socially, to no avail. People just smile and nod, or laugh out loud and shake their heads. How can we get those around us to prepare to resist when we can't get them to believe anything will happen?

Sincerely requesting guidance!

-- Arewyn (nordic@northnet.net), November 13, 1998.

..."And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling in terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand....The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!"

--Alexandr Solzhenitsyn, *The Gulag Archipelago*

-- Hardliner (searcher@internet.com), November 13, 1998.

I love it! I used alexandr's quote about a week ago on another board. If the black hats decide they want to conficate the peoples goodies and 1 out of 4 gets whacked in the process they will choose not to participate in the raid. Look at it this way, if you pulled rats out of holes and you knew that out of every few pulls the rat would bite, you'd flinch EVERY time you put your hand in a hole. Think how much fun they will have.` nine

-- nine (nine_fingers@hotmail.com), November 14, 1998.