Yesterday I visited an M.D. who is an expert on travel medicine- figured he would know best the protections in case of infrastructure collapse. Here is what he had to say: Be sure your children are current on all their immunizations. If the person was born after 1957 make sure 2 courses of MMR were given- take the second set if not. Be sure everyone has a current tetanus/diptheria shot (they last 10 years). A typhoid and a meningitus vaccine are available. I believe kid's can take both. The men. shot gives lifetime protection, the ty. lasts about 5 years. Getting a Hepatitus A vaccine is a good (but expensive option- $60 per shot, nees a second one in 6 months) idea. He didn't think the Hep. B would be important. A yearly flu shot is an idea (I'm passing on this one). If one is over 65 or suffering from kidney, pulmonary or cardiac problems a pneumonia shot would be good. The cholera shot is only 40-50% effective and must be taken at 6 month intervals so it doesn't seem important. I will be doing research on smallpox and anthrax vaccines, and will be talking to this gentleman again- he finds y2k and its medical implications interesting. Item- smallpox isn't limited to 2 vials as reported. Russia had 20-30 tons loaded in missles aimed at 100 of our largest cities. It appears Iraq has the virus. This is a potentially serious problem. Congress is currently conducting hearings on biological weapons and their threat to the U.S.- both Clinton and Gingrich read the latest work from the author of "The Hot Zone". Both were so scared by the book they initiated the congressional investigations. If a few missles were accidently launched pestilence may again stalk the earth. Be sure to stock potassium iodate to ameliorate radiation exposure- kids are especially sensitive. Please don't dend info detailing why immunizations are harmful- I've seen the data and yes- some do have bad reactions, but the benefits outweigh the dangers, in my opinion.

-- skipper clark (skipper@cncnet.com), April 29, 1998

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Fine piece of work, Skipper, but some folks don't like the idea of all those chemicals going into their bodies. For those who are concerned that medicines won't be available post y2k, and for those who don't plan to immunize, may I suggest that you consider Colloidal Silver? C.S. is historically known to be effective against over 650 pathogens, so when antibiotic medicine is no longer available, C.S. will serve a very good purpose. Dr. Bill Schenker has written extensively on C.S. and you can read his posts at . Look under General Discussion and follow the thread to Y2k Colloidal Silver III, date 3/24/98.

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Roy

-- Roy Cave (roy@techcomm.net), April 29, 1998.

What about the other diseases likely to be employed by terrorists or encountered in the wild? Disneyworld was closed recently because of an outbreak of mosquito-borne virus (encephalitis, I believe). There is Lyme disease, Hanta Virus, Rocky Mtn spotted fever and Black plague, to name a few.

-- Greg Lawrence (greg@speakeasy.org), May 01, 1998.

The American Academy of Pediatrics and American Academy of Family Physicians currently recommeds: Hepatitis B: three with a booster during the first 12 yrs. of life Diptheria Tetanus Pertussis (DTaP): four during the first 18 mos, followed by one at 4-6yrs. H. influenzae (B): one at 2,4, and 6 months and one at 12-15 months Polio: one at 2,4, 12-18 mos, and another at 4-6 years MMR (measles, mumps, rubella): one at 12-15 mos, a second at either 4-6 yrs or 11-12 yrs. Varicella (chicken pox): one at 12-18 mos. booster at 11-12 yrs.

Hepatitis A is spread by the fecal/oral route. It can be primarily controlled by good hygeine (think about what that means post y2k when you won't necessarily turn on the tap and have good washing water).

Most of the diseases mentioned in the last post (e.g. Lyme, Hantavirus) require an animal host (tick and deer mouse). The CDC has extensive material regarding protection against these at their website (www.cdc.gov).

-- P. (ptrades@earthlink.net), May 06, 1998.

I brought up cholera vaccine with Paloma O'Riley and Jim Lord during their speaking engagement at the public meetings in Medford and Eugene, OR on 11May. We didn't know about the 6 month interval, however given CNN's report of the widespread cholera outbreak in N.Korea due to bad water and sewage conditions I see that cholera immunizations could be life saving. The problem is getting the mfgrs on the ball to prioritize _all_ of the vaccine's production, not just cholera. Ms. O'Riley suggested that the CDC might have the clout to awaken the pharmaceuitcal co.'s to the dire need for large scale immunizations, both in the USA and abroad. We might easily need a half billion or more units of each type of vaccine.

-- Mitchell Barnes (spanda@inreach.com), May 16, 1998.

Hold onto your hats folks, but THERE ARE alternatives to modern day medicine. Most people who "lurk" on these forums are of the investigative mind. They want more information before they decide what action to take. Information is crucial. Information is NOW "KING". You can no longer depend on the system you now believe in. This system is going to suffer. However, there ARE ALTERNATIVES to modern medicine as we know it. They are OLDER THAN MODERN MEDICINE by right of patents, documentation, etc. We are having to deal with life and death situations when it comes to our future. It only makes sense to look into what other alternatives are available.

What I am about to offer is only one of MANY ALTERNATIVES. Look into it. Decide for yourselves if it has merit. If you like what you see, then do more research on it to verify that YOU DO INDEED HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE, and by the way, it won't kill you in the process, unlike many ALLOPATHIC prescriptions. My very best to all of you!

http://www.resonate.org/etllc/index.htm

-- Bingo (habatat@rof.net), June 20, 1998.

NO WAY, don't vaccinate before y2k or any other time. Vaccines are dangerous! Haven't you got the news on that yet? check out http://www.tetrahedron.org.

Anyway, essential oil of lemongrass has been used successfully for cholera in India, thyme oil is the antidote to anthrax according to Dr. Jean Valnet, and lemon oil is used in European hospitals to reduce airborn pathogens. Oregano oil destroys pneumonia bacteria when diffused in the air(email for report), and there's plenty more.

for more info on naturalhealing, subscribe to list on naturalhealing with mds, nds, wholistic practitioners on it... we're discussing y2k medicines now. everyone needs homeopathic arnica, rescue remedies, and more... find out what WORKS, what you can get now at the health food store, and what practitioners are storing up on.

I can't believe the advice here to vaccinate. I have 4 children who will never be vaccinated..ask me why. You'll be shocked.

be well, Michelle

-- Michelle Webster (michelle@4u2bwhole.com), July 14, 1998.

by the way, visit Ancient Essentials web site coming up..

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-- Michelle Webster (michelle@4u2bwhole.com), July 14, 1998.